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Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by peter422 »

Izkata wrote: post #38
pixl97 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses themselves are a common cause of autoimmune reactions that cause T1D. Attempting to automatically blame a vaccine for a virus that commonly affected youth with little to no sign of infection probably isn't a very scientific method of determining cause.

Article notes that coronaviruses binding to ACE2 receptors in the pancreas could cause this. Binding to ACE2 receptors is done by the spike protein, the same spike protein the vaccines created mass amounts of.

It seems to me that it is irrelevant how many spike proteins the vaccines causes your body to make considering that most of humanity has had a real covid infection by this point.

The question would be if vaccine followed by covid infection produced more or less spike proteins (and overall health impact) than no vaccine followed by covid infection.

If you assume that hospitalization and death is correlated to overall quantity of damaging spike proteins then the default assumption would have to be that vaccines are highly beneficial.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by XorNot »

Izkata wrote: post #38
pixl97 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses themselves are a common cause of autoimmune reactions that cause T1D. Attempting to automatically blame a vaccine for a virus that commonly affected youth with little to no sign of infection probably isn't a very scientific method of determining cause.

Article notes that coronaviruses binding to ACE2 receptors in the pancreas could cause this. Binding to ACE2 receptors is done by the spike protein, the same spike protein the vaccines created mass amounts of.

mRNA vaccines don't create circulating spike protein. The specific mechanism of action of mRNA vaccines is to create a spike protein inside a cell (muscle cell - it's an intramuscular injection) which then gets presented by the MHC-proteins on the surface of the cell.

This is a similar mechanism which viral-vector vaccines use as well.

This is quite unlike regular protein-bolus vaccines which do in fact just inject a bunch of antigen into your body.

Of course in all cases, intramuscular injections don't really enter the bloodstream anyway: the immune system picks up the injected material and it is transported by the lymphatic system to be presented to the various immunological systems.

Contrast to general viral infection where a self-replicating virus with machinery specifically intended to ensure it is packaged and secreted from infected as a viable infectious agent will basically run rampant until an immune response mounts...at which pointy our blood actually will be full of pieces of spike protein from your immune system shredding virus particles (which is why PCR tests can detect infection for weeks after you've cleared it).

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8402319/

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by lettergram »

I mean.. we locked children in their homes for 12-24 months. Quite literally, my kids could not: attend school, take swim lessons, do gymnastics, play soccer for 24 months without severe restrictions. Further, other parents were concerned to the point the sniffles or a covid exposure would limit our ability to get together for 3-14 days. Finally, you had parents also stuck home trying to raise kids in this environment and often would end up eating out / getting pre-packaged meals because there simply wasn't time.

Luckily, we had a yard, so I could at least get my kids outside and we'd play. Eventually, I ended up just moving because 18-20 months into this thing Illinois was still having a mask mandate for 2yr olds plus. I think it was finally lifted from schools after 24 months - https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-illinois-mask-...

I should add, many places still required it, it just wasn't mandated. They still were shutting down the classrooms every for a couple weeks at a time if 1 covid case was identified. This ended up meaning 25%+ of the time my kids were home.

My general point, if you feed kids a bad diet & remove their ability to exercise yeah -- type 2 diabetes.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by greenhexagon »

smegsicle wrote: post #20

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Surely the disease causing a child to become diabetic is "meaningfully threatened" though?

I'm not sure why some people act like anything less than death is no big deal. Severe organ damage, whether lungs or pancreas or anything is a well documented, non-controversial risk of covid infection.

The more we learn, the more dangerous covid looks to be for kids. Diabetes is one of those risks we now know more about.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by beanjuiceII »

roody15 wrote: post #5

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I've been struggling with acute pancreatitis ever since I got the vaccine.. I do not drink alcohol and I'm not over weight and have a great diet, so it was boggling to my doctor's at first why I had pancreatitis

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by flagrant_taco »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #19
belltaco wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People also ate out less and had more time to cook meals at home instead of eating highly processed foods bought from supermarkets.

“Cooking” at home does not necessarily mean healthier than restaurants. Home cooking for most people uses tons of sauces/cheeses/creams/butter/chocolate/breads/etc loaded with sugar and sat fats.

I don't think anyone defends sugar as good for you, but there is a lot of research showing that dietary saturated fats can actually be good for you. Especially if the concern is diabetes, ketogenic diets can be extremely beneficial as the body is burning primarily fat rather than glucose and glycogen.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by stephen_g »

pixl97 wrote: post #29
defrost wrote: post #16

Diabetes is complex and a simplistic jump to "Covid directly causes Diabetes" is very likely incorrect. From the article itself: Diabetes risk factors may have been exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic including limited physical activity, increased sedentary behaviors, sleep disturbances, and increased intake of processed foods. and note that diabetes has increased in very specific groups, not generally at the sa…

For type 2 I can see the risk factors of limited physical activity, but type 1? Type 1 is generally something attacking the pancreas. I've been a long time T1 diabetic, and was diagnosed after I had a long term persistent lung infection. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overvi... >Type 1 diabetes occurs when your immune system, the body’s system for fighting infection, attacks and destroys the in…

I have a friend (fit, healthy male of 28) who suddenly lost a whole lot of weight and then was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, not too long after having COVID - may have been a coincidence, but it is suspicious...

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by flagrant_taco »

torstenvl wrote: post #32
junofan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The T2 patients weren’t fatter or more diabetic. There were just 62% more of them.

Which should push average A1C levels up...

The study shows incidences on the scale of 15-25 cases per 100,000. The relative incidence ratio may have increased significantly but the absolute increase was small enough that the handful of people with higher A1C wouldn't have budged the average.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by ta8645 »

XorNot wrote: post #42
Izkata wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article notes that coronaviruses binding to ACE2 receptors in the pancreas could cause this. Binding to ACE2 receptors is done by the spike protein, the same spike protein the vaccines created mass amounts of.

mRNA vaccines don't create circulating spike protein. The specific mechanism of action of mRNA vaccines is to create a spike protein inside a cell (muscle cell - it's an intramuscular injection) which then gets presented by the MHC-proteins on the surface of the cell. This is a similar mechanism which viral-vector vaccines use as well. This is quite unlike regular protein-bolus vaccines which do in fact just inject a…

I just saw in an article, that while uncommon, mRNA vaccines can actually lead to circulating spike protein. From the article [1]:

Most notably, the plasma of patients with postvaccine myocarditis had “markedly elevated levels” of free spike antigen (33.9 ± 22.4 pg/mL), with the protein circulating in the body unbound by antibodies. “Although postvaccine myocarditis clinically occurs more commonly in males, [this] was seen equally in both affected females and males,” the investigators point out.

[1] https://www.tctmd.com/news/free-spike-protein-mrna-covid-19-...

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by flagrant_taco »

ianlevesque wrote: post #23

Let’s fix this. There’s funding already allocated to improve ventilation in schools. Since the coronavirus is endemic we’re going to be dealing with these increased risks for decades. Why can’t we get this done? Let’s actually save the children for once.

The virus is endemic and, though we weren't supposed to say this before, will continue to circulate and act much like the common cold. Ventilation in schools would be extraordinarily expensive, would only impact that 8 hour period of each kid's day, and with the state of average school buildings in the US we would never seal them up well enough for a positive pressure system to reliably keep them ventilated.

Unfortunately we can't just throw money at every problem to fix it. There could be more effective avenues if we want to spend that minry though, revisiting the food our kids eat might be more effective at keeping our kids healthy for example.

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