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Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by djohnston »

leereeves wrote: post #117
viscanti wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These standards will likely make officers go after more genuine LARPers than before. These tips are very problematic if police officers start to follow them. It sounds like it might be a dangerous time to LARP about and plan terrorist acts. That could be very problematic for those who enjoy that as a recreational hobby. But in some ways there's a precedent for it with flying. Lots of people used to love to LARP abo…

> Lots of people used to love to LARP about taking a bomb on a plane Really?

He’s making fun of the absurdity of the parent comment

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by [deleted] »

leereeves wrote: post #117
viscanti wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These standards will likely make officers go after more genuine LARPers than before. These tips are very problematic if police officers start to follow them. It sounds like it might be a dangerous time to LARP about and plan terrorist acts. That could be very problematic for those who enjoy that as a recreational hobby. But in some ways there's a precedent for it with flying. Lots of people used to love to LARP abo…

> Lots of people used to love to LARP about taking a bomb on a plane Really?

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Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by tap-snap-or-nap »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #58
ethbr1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The blatant lying that law enforcement has to deal with on a daily basis is uderappreciated. The US has a legal system that permits a defendant to say many things, like "My buddies and I were participating in a fantasy scenario where we plotted in detail and collected supplies to kidnap the governor of our state... but it was just a game. Like those other people who play games!" Good for the authors in making an effo…

The blatant lying from law enforcement that the citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis is underappreciated. The US has a legal system that permits a police office to say anything, but a citizen must not lie to a police officer. The Miranda warning is not a good sign - it reminds the citizen that the government can and will use anything a citizen says for its own purposes.

> citizenry has to deal with on a daily basis

Sounds like a hyperbolic statement. Most citizens may be more likely to say that they do not have to deal with people who commit crime and lie to them on a daily basis unless you are in a very rough neighbourhood with very little law enforcement.

People who are policing do have to deal with this daily, however there is a change that the police could potentially form some kind of a sampling bias on new encounters with average looking citizens after dealing with so many lying criminals on a daily basis.

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

viscanti wrote: post #55
Jensson wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't just courts, these are for police officers in general, they say it near the top "which may be helpful to both law enforcement and prosecutors if suspects of targeted violence claim they were playacting". These standards will likely make officers go after more genuine LARPers than before. These tips are very problematic if police officers start to follow them, for example: > Role players will not discuss law…

> These standards will likely make officers go after more genuine LARPers than before. These tips are very problematic if police officers start to follow them. It sounds like it might be a dangerous time to LARP about and plan terrorist acts. That could be very problematic for those who enjoy that as a recreational hobby. But in some ways there's a precedent for it with flying. Lots of people used to love to LARP abo…

I have been interested in planning a bank heist (but obviously not following through). It's sort of the same motivation for lockpicking, LARPing, or even homesteading- an exploration of the criminal world, the fantasy of being a Ocean's 11/Clooney type, the (admittedly, likely false) comfort of being able to make a difference if fascists/Russia/China invaded and took over. I have never given this much thought, as I've assumed this counts as conspiracy to commit a crime or similar.

So, counter to your (ironic?) point, I think the existence of this article will make me more likely to explore this avenue- I have a reference for what I would need to do to avoid crossing the line. And counter to what I suspect may be your actual point, I think it is totally reasonable to want to do things like this.

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by zen928 »

tuckerpo wrote: post #22

Also see: in Minecraft.

a phrase used to evade being suspended from advertiser-friendly media platforms by "changing" the intent of your statement from a potential threat to an expression of emotion (express anger at them in a game)

also as equally useless of a defense as 'just LARPing' if any of your other behavior shows different intentions and inconsistency with the group that would use these phrases, i.e. you don't play videogames

it's always felt off that someone genuinely believes that changing their phrasing would fool other people of their intent, like something that an actual child would come up as a legal defense

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by jrflowers »

slavboj wrote: post #60

"Role players will not discuss law enforcement concerns on social media or provide guidance to each other if confronted by an officer. Also, they will have no demonstrated interest in criminal cases involving claims of LARP." Your resistance proves your guilt. Insisting on your fourth and fifth amendment rights? Noting other cases where innocent hobbyists were threatened and trying to avoid the same? Seems like viole…

> Insisting on your fourth and fifth amendment rights?

This is a good point. When I am in character as a LARP law enthusiast that’s LARPing as a violent extremist, my in-character explanation of why I am not criminally liable for my OC’s OC’s behavior to police are a violation of my rights.

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by weswilson »

Most of us here probably think of LARPing as fantasy-genre LARPing, but I think this is more pointed toward Mil-Sim LARPing.

These are hardcore airsoft guys who go buy comms, night-vision, IR, with airsoft weapons that function like real weapons. There are multi-day events with NATO vs RUS forces. Look up "milsim west" on Youtube and you can get a sense of it.

There's a good amount of folks that just like to have fun, but there is a subset that use it as a type of militia-esque training.

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by foota »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #124
viscanti wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These standards will likely make officers go after more genuine LARPers than before. These tips are very problematic if police officers start to follow them. It sounds like it might be a dangerous time to LARP about and plan terrorist acts. That could be very problematic for those who enjoy that as a recreational hobby. But in some ways there's a precedent for it with flying. Lots of people used to love to LARP abo…

I have been interested in planning a bank heist (but obviously not following through). It's sort of the same motivation for lockpicking, LARPing, or even homesteading- an exploration of the criminal world, the fantasy of being a Ocean's 11/Clooney type, the (admittedly, likely false) comfort of being able to make a difference if fascists/Russia/China invaded and took over. I have never given this much thought, as I'v…

I guess your best bet would be to have someone design a fictional bank to rob.

Re: LARPing and Violent Extremism

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Post by 00kevn »

Jensson wrote: post #99
HWR_14 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't "seek out LARPers". This is "how do I distinguish a group of people in the woods running around in camo as LARPers or violent extremists". They found the people first.

Stop and frisk isn't "seek out black people", they found the person first and then identified him as black and that means he is a risk and needs to be stopped and frisked. I don't really see the difference.

I didn't interpret the article as "investigate LARPers to make sure they're not domestic terrorists" so I don't really understand your take. Stop and Frisk has obvious racist origins, but the process starts with you suspecting someone of a crime and using that as a foot in the door. This seems the opposite guidance of "before you spend too much time investigating a group, try to build the case that they're not LARPing". Like the whole preface is that terrorists are trying to evade justice by saying it was all a game. Stop and Frisk wasn't created because people carrying weapons and committing crimes were pretending to be minorities so cops wouldn't be suspicious.
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