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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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When my wife was super pregnant and overdue, friends were consistently asking for updates. I made a website called "isstillpregnant.com" and put a very very minimal website there. It was literally just route53 and cloudfront in front of an S3 bucket.

But that meant I needed to make updates from the hospital with my phone. I mean yes there were probably better options but I was a bit busy at the time to think of them.

Let me just say that writing raw HTML files using textedit for Android was not a great experience. It's just not the right interface for making complex text.

Maybe LLMs will help with this, allowing us to describe what we want at a higher level, through voice or text. But God help me I do not want to try to write valid HTML on a phone (after being awake for 35 of the previous 36 hours).

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #59

Nothing on mobile is okay. I know everyone loves their smart phones but they really are terrible computers in every way except for portability. Use a computer when you actually want to do things. Smartphones are just for when you're literally unable to use a real computer.

I recently bought a PineTab2. Its a pretty rough around the edges experience (hardware is fine, but Plasma Mobile is still lacking compared to Android) BUT with the case with a keyboard it is far better for writing anything. Not as good as my desktop, but a lot better than most mobile devices. I usually use Whatsapp web and the Signal desktop app at my desktop when I want to write more than sentence or two. A physica…

Yearly reminder that Nokia perfected the slideout keyboard on their N900 model over 10 years ago

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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- Take laptop, remove the keyboard, nerf the OS, call it "mobile" - Wait for someone to point out that text editing is no longer practical - "I am not anti-mobile. My goal is not to return back to the desktop, but to move mobile forward." Why? Why should we privilege an intentionally nerfed computing experience as the inevitable future? Almost every trend "mobile" is pioneering is bad.

Like the linked article says, > Mobile devices were originally designed for consumption ... and will always be consumption devices. A television isn't a substitute for your laptop either.

Phones, sure, but there’s plenty of good productivity and creation software available for tablets. And these days, most productivity software runs in the browser anyway.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Not a single mention of the biggest problem, by far, of text editing on Android: no undo? Fix that before literally anything else on Android, please. > too many people mistakenly see text editing as “done” I can't imagine anyone that uses both desktop and mobile to think mobile text editing doesn't need improvements.

> no undo It works fine, you just need a keyboard what would allow you to send Ctrl+Z. Yes, there should be a menu item (at least in a pop-up) too... BTW, there is a API to add your things to that pop-up (like for searching providers etc) so there is a chance you can make it.

iOS has "shake to undo", which isn't perfect, but at least it's something.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#66

Nothing on mobile is okay. I know everyone loves their smart phones but they really are terrible computers in every way except for portability. Use a computer when you actually want to do things. Smartphones are just for when you're literally unable to use a real computer.

They are much, much better for photos. I will even say they are better for most videos chats.

They are better music players. They are better GPS nav systems.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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The irony is that despite their conceptual elegance and increasing ubiquity, touchscreens are a technological dead end as far as HCI is concerned. As dim as I am on the current slate (and near-future) of VR headsets, their gestural interfaces are much more promising in the long run (though still lacking in some ways compared to mouse and keyboard).

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#68

Not a single mention of the biggest problem, by far, of text editing on Android: no undo? Fix that before literally anything else on Android, please. > too many people mistakenly see text editing as “done” I can't imagine anyone that uses both desktop and mobile to think mobile text editing doesn't need improvements.

> no undo It works fine, you just need a keyboard what would allow you to send Ctrl+Z. Yes, there should be a menu item (at least in a pop-up) too... BTW, there is a API to add your things to that pop-up (like for searching providers etc) so there is a chance you can make it.

E.g., Unexpected Keyboard has modifier keys and I can use it to enter Ctrl+Z on Android.

And a lot of other shortcuts, too (cut, copy, paste, select all, home/end, etc).

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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My biggest problem in editing on mobile is changing a text selection (for example a long URL or long text paragraphs) that don't fit on screen at once. Once I have to scroll (vertically or, even worse, horizontally) in addition to moving the selection handles the UX is just terrible.

I don't know about IPhone but on Android its simply impossible to Paste text between two words. You can't paste text into cursor position you can only replace selected text with Pasted text.

Thats my main biggest issue.

Also, why the fuck there no Copy/Paste buttons on mobile keyboard??

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