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Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#11
I find the "saves money" routine a bit transparent. It deprives your boss of the satisfaction to have contributed something important. Let your boss save the money, get the tools you want or need.

How? Simple, compare two solutions, write up advantages and disadvantages and present them. Since you have already made up your mind, you're biased to the thing you want anyway. Your boss will usually see your point and make the right decision.

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#12

I don't work at places that aren't already coughing up for the right tools. Literally. I have declined jobs because of this and would leave my current employer if this happened.

In my experience, the best tools are usually free.

It depends on your level of expertise and the type of tool. For instance, Sphinx to write documentation is free, but you need to have at least a desire to write in markup to create it, and I'm assuming that single-sourcing multiple user manuals with conditional text and variables is not exactly trivial. Plus, sharing the writing of such a user manual between more than one person requires the use of a third-party solution, a version control system, which also requires some training & expertise to use properly.

Where as, on the other hand, if you can convince your boss to dish out $200 a month per user for something like Author-It, you get an extremely powerful system that does everything an authoring tool is supposed to. That's what I'm trying to do right now with my boss, convince him to switch (not from Sphinx, but from another cheaper software solution called Flare), and it's not an easy task.

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#13

I don't work at places that aren't already coughing up for the right tools. Literally. I have declined jobs because of this and would leave my current employer if this happened.

In my experience, the best tools are usually free.

I've found a great deal of resistance in using free tools.

Tools that cost 4 figures seem to sit "just about right" in the managerial mindset where I come from.

Some managerial cultures seem to really ( _really_ ) want to see cash laid out for anything before they will believe it holds any virtue.

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#14

I don't work at places that aren't already coughing up for the right tools. Literally. I have declined jobs because of this and would leave my current employer if this happened.

In my experience, the best tools are usually free.

The best tools are the ones that cost less than they make you save.

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#15
* Tell them how much money and how much time it saves.

* Where possible convert time into money.

* If it costs a lot of money, tell them how long it will take to recoup the investment.

* Give numbers.

* It is possible that your boss does not control the purse strings - so when you give your numbers make sure it's in a format that they can forward to their boss with few changes

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#16

I don't work at places that aren't already coughing up for the right tools. Literally. I have declined jobs because of this and would leave my current employer if this happened.

In my experience, the best tools are usually free.

Big companies don't usually go for free, because of the risk involved.

To answer op: Nothing. Been trying for a long time, but no luck.

Re: Ask HN: How do you convince your bosses to use the right tools?

#20
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Depends on your position . I will just tell that my productivity will be decreased if I don't use the one which I believe is best.

Dangerous move. Not to say it isn't worth doing, but I've seen it get highly competent people fired. You need to understand that managerial training and experience turns nice people into suspicious, cynical assholes and that you're in danger of being interpreted as threatening, "I'm going to intentionally slow down if I don't get what I want". It's not what you mean, but it's how it will be read. Now, career stagnati…

I agree that the best approach is to use a tool and deliver well built software. For every pragmatic tool you recommend some highly paid consultant or senior dev has tried to pad their resume by getting them to buy $100k of unneeded infrastructure and tools that failed miserably.

Also, some companies will not budge no matter how you present it you are better off working around the heavy process that is slowing you down. Or switch companies. Or voice you frustrations into the void of the internet like I did. http://objectatrest.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/one-process-two...

Each company is different and there is no silver bullet. You need to find out what the managers value (money, productivity, looking good to their superiors) and build a case on that.

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