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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by rchaud »

kelnos wrote: post #345
dylan604 wrote: post #96

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Isn't that the same thing said about Lotto/scratch-offs/etc?

It's complicated. I go to Vegas and gamble sometimes, which is not all that different. I don't gamble because I expect to win money; I gamble because the experience (especially with more social games like craps) is fun to me, even when I lose. Certainly it's not fun to everyone, but roller coasters aren't fun to everyone either, and that's fine. If you only gamble or play the lottery because you genuinely think you h…

> But hey, if someone allocates $5 in their budget to buy scratch-offs every day, I'd say that's probably better for their health than eating a $5 ice cream sundae every day.

What happens when you have $5, but you win the scratchcard, and now you have $10?

A person buying ice cream every day, probably isn't going to want to be buy 2 on the same day. Can the same be said for lotto patrons?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by uneekname »

BoppreH wrote: post #668
dzogchen wrote: post #649

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You 'installed' OpenStreetMaps?!

Ah, sorry, I meant an app that uses OSM as data source (OrganicMaps in my case). For some reason I thought I had an "official" app the OSM project, otherwise I wouldn't be so casual with the name. And a shout-out to StreetComplete, that gamifies contributing to OSM.

Organic Maps is really great, at least for my use-case. Minimal, performant, offline

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by bee_rider »

Thorrez wrote: post #511
bee_rider wrote: post #425

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Advertising has always felt zero-sum to me. Like, I already want shoes, the ad isn’t going to wear holes in the soles of my old ones, the holes are there already, so the ad will just push me one way or another. So, I guess it is not just a tax on the poor and stupid. Everyone has to pay, company A buys ads, company B burns an equally large pile of money to cancel it out, and we’re just back where we started.

If you're a new company, buying ads can help you get customers who would otherwise have bought something from your older, more well-known competitor. Disclosure: I work for Google, but not on ads.

Unless the older, more well-known company has a larger ad budget, which seems… very likely.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by sodality2 »

jholman wrote: post #541
sodality2 wrote: post #525

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> it isn't sending telemetry to MS How? Literally even LTSC builds have some amounts of telemetry. Are you running some nonstandard build of Windows?

Well, maybe I'm wrong about that. It's a standard build of Home, with an hour or two invested in config maybe a decade ago when I installed it (back when it was 7, or something, before 10 existed). I spent a little time on Wireshark seeing what it was doing, but not much time, and that was a long time ago. So maybe I'm wrong. :thinking:

Ah, yeah, that’s true, but the point is that you should be respected by default (even if they just asked yes or no). It’s on by default, turns back on almost every update, and some level is on at all times (mandatory).

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by InitialLastName »

rchaud wrote: post #811
kelnos wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's complicated. I go to Vegas and gamble sometimes, which is not all that different. I don't gamble because I expect to win money; I gamble because the experience (especially with more social games like craps) is fun to me, even when I lose. Certainly it's not fun to everyone, but roller coasters aren't fun to everyone either, and that's fine. If you only gamble or play the lottery because you genuinely think you h…

> But hey, if someone allocates $5 in their budget to buy scratch-offs every day, I'd say that's probably better for their health than eating a $5 ice cream sundae every day. What happens when you have $5, but you win the scratchcard, and now you have $10? A person buying ice cream every day, probably isn't going to want to be buy 2 on the same day. Can the same be said for lotto patrons?

If they spend the $10 on scratch-offs that didn't pay, are they any worse off than they would be if the first hadn't paid?

Arguably, they'd be better off having had 3X the entertainment for their dollar.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by lolinder »

jjar wrote: post #696
antihero wrote: post #687

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I am giving it another shot. First thing I've noticed is the lack of localisation with results. If I search for "Elac 6.2 speakers amazon" it comes up with a .com link. I have to search for "Elac 6.2 speakers amazon uk" for it to go to .co.uk. This was an option with Google that I liked. *Weirdly now if I search for "elac debut 6.2 amazon" it comes up with a UK link :S

There's a dropdown at the top for the locale - you can select UK and you should get UK results.

One of Kagi's core principles seems to be that they don't try to guess what you want. Their "Personalized Results" settings just ask you to tell them which domains you like and which you're tired of seeing. It makes sense that they'd ask you for your locale rather than guessing it from your IP or asking for location access.

As someone who's sick and tired of the way Google tries and fails to guess what I want—to the point of now ignoring me when I try to tell it what I want with search operators—I appreciate this philosophy!

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by culopatin »

It’s still a hard sell. Netflix was running at 8.99 back in the day, I pay $5 for Spotify and Hulu combo as a student. These companies pay royalties, have to secure licenses, have the equipment to feed multimedia to me, apps, Netflix even makes shows now, etc. If they want to get to the average user they’ll need to figure out either a student discount, a combo with another service, light ads like Hulu or optimize their costs.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by loehnsberg »

thebytefairy wrote: post #650

Kagi seems cool, but I haven't felt that google search is so bad that I'd pay ~120/year for search. I think Google's also heard the discontent around search results lately and has been trying to improve - eg. I get relevant Reddit results now without needing to specify that into my query. I personally haven't found cases where the results are so bad I would rather start paying, but would be interested to hear specifi…

The thing is you ARE paying for search but do not know how much, because you will never know where a targeted ad nudged you to pay a little markup for something that you bought.

I prefer to pay for the services that I use with money rather than with my personal data, which may be used against mine or my fellow citizen‘s interest.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by skummetmaelk »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #370
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

What's more complex. Executing a command in the terminal or clicking through 117 nested layers of menus and using regedit to solve your problem?
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