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Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by sylvinus »

3np wrote: post #7
bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

Yeah, so, if maintainers started blocking external contributions for business reasons or changed the license of the upstream repo, that would be a legitimate concern. If this blog post raises any legitimate concerns, I missed them. All I see is entitlement to continue get work for free. If you're concerned about gaps in ClickHouse functionality, maybe pick up the slack and contribute back? It takes a village to raise…

AFAIK, the author is indeed trying to contribute back, that is the whole point: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/54644

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by bitshiftin »

sylvinus wrote: post #11
3np wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so, if maintainers started blocking external contributions for business reasons or changed the license of the upstream repo, that would be a legitimate concern. If this blog post raises any legitimate concerns, I missed them. All I see is entitlement to continue get work for free. If you're concerned about gaps in ClickHouse functionality, maybe pick up the slack and contribute back? It takes a village to raise…

AFAIK, the author is indeed trying to contribute back, that is the whole point: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/54644

In 4 years, the author has raised 6 issues and zero PRs. The latest issue was raised last week to inflame this same argument and is 4x longer than any previous issue.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by bitshiftin »

sylvinus wrote: post #6
bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

There's a kind of survivorship bias here! I'm sure that if Altinity (or others) weren't forced to do RFCs on GitHub like the one mentioned in this article that get low/no attention from the core team, they would be in the top committers :)

"forced to do RFCs on GitHub" The author has raised 1 RFC ever. Have you evidence they attemnpted to contribute more in the past? Proposals to form a steering committee? sponsorship? PRs?

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by benjaminwootton »

This would be a shame and also a mistake in my opinion.

Clickhouse is instantly differentiated from Snowflake, Databricks, BigQuery and RedShift with the open source offering that you can deploy yourself. There are lots of other options but Clickhouse has the most mindshare and is the techies choice.

I find myself rooting for them and recommending them for that before you even get into any technical comparison.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by aleksi »

bitshiftin wrote: post #14
sylvinus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, the author is indeed trying to contribute back, that is the whole point: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/54644

In 4 years, the author has raised 6 issues and zero PRs. The latest issue was raised last week to inflame this same argument and is 4x longer than any previous issue.

6 PRs from the author were merged: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pulls?q=is%3Apr+aut...

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by devoxi »

lairv wrote: post #15

How do you chose between ClickHouse and DuckDB ? It feels like they solve the same problem

They are both columnar data stores and while they solve the same problem I wouldn't use them in the same situation. DuckDB is often referred as the sqlite of analytics, meaning that it's lightweight and you can embed it. On the other hand ClickHouse is definitely the way to go if you need to distribute your queries over multiple servers. If your workload can be held on a single server and you only need standard SQL functions both will serve you well. If you have more specific needs maybe you should have a look at the documentation. For example ClickHouse has a very extensive support for nested arrays which can prove quite useful.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by imadethis »

aleksi wrote: post #18
bitshiftin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 4 years, the author has raised 6 issues and zero PRs. The latest issue was raised last week to inflame this same argument and is 4x longer than any previous issue.

6 PRs from the author were merged: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pulls?q=is%3Apr+aut...

Eh, not to move the goalposts but five are doc fixes (one of which is about their company). I would have expected more from the author of this post.
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