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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

vachina wrote: post #576
viraptor wrote: post #74

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In my experience it's not that there's better quality results found, but rather low quality results are skipped. There's a lot filtered by default + it's easy to click "block this domain" when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy. It means that when you're searching for code related things, you often get small relevant blogs in position 3+ rather than SEO spam. For example searching for "current time on JavaSc…

The fact that Kagi has a blocklist tells me their algo isn’t any superior. The best kind of search engine is the kind that can read your mind (by inferring your intention or something)

Maybe for you that is better, but I want word negation to work, and "verbose" to actually require words I specify to be on the page. Word stemming would be good as an option.

Sure, I'd like Booleans to work again, and intitle:.

That said, Google could probably make an inferred search interpretation work well if they wanted to return results that were good for the user rather than return results that optimise their ad revenue.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by abind »

vxNsr wrote: post #538
Thorrez wrote: post #511

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If you're a new company, buying ads can help you get customers who would otherwise have bought something from your older, more well-known competitor. Disclosure: I work for Google, but not on ads.

Hmmm… my impression was that Google is an ad company, wasn’t aware they did anything but collect data for ads and deliver ads, I’m curious to hear what you work on that isn’t “ads”

Ever heard of google cloud?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wowgoldfarmer »

BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

I tried kagi a little bit and the search results is very good compared to other engines

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

retsibsi wrote: post #547
spencerchubb wrote: post #412

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My goodness, I thought you were exaggerating. I've been using ad blockers for so long, I forgot the web had this many ads. Or has it just gotten worse over time?

I wonder if adblockers have contributed to this. In theory we users can reward non-horrible advertisers by whitelisting their ads, but in practice we tend to block as much as possible. The remaining ad-viewing audience will be partly composed of people who are ethically opposed to adblocking or are held back by a lack of tech knowledge, but it will also be relatively insensitive to ads (both in the sense of being abl…

If Chrome, Edge, Safari all came with uBlock by default, what percentage do you think would be "ethically opposed" enough to disable the extension? How many would turn it right back on?

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Post by eviks »

mmahemoff wrote: post #296

Good to see DuckDuckGo's Bang syntax [1] has become commonplace with alt search engines. Following convention, Kagi lets you append !g to divert the search on Google. A simple escape hatch like that is worthwhile as Google is often superior for local-area searches, in my experience. I've dabbled with a multitude of search engines recently and that is one thing badly missing from Bing. 1. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs

It's rather unfortunate that this unergonomic convention of requiring shifted far away 1 key spread , this should be customizeable to some better ,comma prefix or something

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by askvictor »

freediver wrote: post #305
askvictor wrote: post #226

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Not just that, but it's not really on the radar of SEO. If they get big, SEO will probably lead to the same enshitification as happened to Google.

I don't think it can. What would the financial motive be? With Google it is more ads with Adsense on their crappy SEO site. With Kagi, we actively downrank such sites out of existance.

The financial motive is to get people looking at your website so you can sell things. SEO has always been an arms race, and I don't see how it can not be that. Occasionally there's a paradigm shift that causes one side to get massively ahead (e.g. the original Pagerank). But eventually things settle back down.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by avereveard »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #171
baggachipz wrote: post #78

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They do have exactly such a thing: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/api/overview.html

Any of the DDG search libraries on GiHub + ChatGPT-turbo-3.5 is cheaper than this, especially if you need to do a lot of searches and then apply a heuristic to narrow them down. Doesn’t seem very competitive.

Do ddg has a public api or are these search wrapper in violation of ddg tos?

Also gpt gets expensive real fast if any of the linked result is long enough, and no search augmented result over the search engine snippet is often not enough to answer the question. And you are not accounting for the cost of where langchain or similar tooling runs.

That said I haven't tested yet fastgpt searches, so quality is still unknown. It is useful however to have a real api with a real tos, a clear pricing model and good enough is great to have in the toolbox, compared to a library that may or may not work for unknown stretches of times.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dewey »

I‘m using Kagi for a month now and switched over all my devices to Kagi as a default search engine. I tried doing the same with DDG a while ago but it never really stuck, with Kagi I’m happy and was actually sad when I ran out of credits and had to use Google until I increased my quota. For the first time since I started using Google the search interface looked clunky and unfamiliar after getting used to Kagi for a month.

This couldn’t have come at a better time as I was a bit hesitant to add another subscription while still keeping in mind the additional searches I might have to pay on top. Signed up for a year!

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by nurettin »

nurettin wrote: post #512

> Integrate Kagi.ai into your production system. Priced at $50 per thousand queries, with a minimum of $1,000 annual commitment. Is this going to change as well?

For comparison, this was the previous pricing plan https://staticmedia.kagi.com/pricing/new_plans.png

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

macNchz wrote: post #271
robocat wrote: post #79

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#4 pinned is hacker news!!! So clearly big crossover between HN fans and kagi. 8,629 Members. Top Blocked (from most blocked): pinterest.com/.co.uk/.ca/.de/.fr/.com.au/.es facebook.com foxnews.com tiktok.com quora.com w3schools.com breitbart.com dailymail.co.uk appsloveworld.com instagram.com githubplus.com geeksforgeeks.org libhunt.com twitter.com msn.com healthline.com solveforum.com 9to5answer.com alternativeto.ne…

Interesting to see reddit on the block list, I have issues with the way they’ve been operating but I do often find myself explicitly adding site:reddit.com to google searches, since it seems like one of few places online where there is still non-sponsored conversation about diverse topics. RIP old-school forums.

If you're not logged in to Reddit (and Facebook, etc), you often don't get the content that shows in the snippet of the SERP. Google don't always have a cached page now.
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