Advocate of the devil, could this be a last ditch effort to remain competitive against LLMs?
Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
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> Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? Encourage you to try it. I've repeated Scott Galloway's mantra that advertisement is a tax on America's poor and stupid. But I never quite clocked the cost of search ads. It might be solely due to that lack of scrolling through crud that makes Kagi seem much, much faster than Google or DuckDuckGo.
Advertising has always felt zero-sum to me. Like, I already want shoes, the ad isn’t going to wear holes in the soles of my old ones, the holes are there already, so the ad will just push me one way or another. So, I guess it is not just a tax on the poor and stupid. Everyone has to pay, company A buys ads, company B burns an equally large pile of money to cancel it out, and we’re just back where we started.
I have personally seen people pushed into buying crap they don't need (and didn't even think about a few minutes before) by ads they saw on the internet. I don't like playing tech support for others, but installing ad blockers for technically illiterate friends and acquaintances now feels like a socially responsible thing to do.
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?
I read some days back on HN that even Yandex is better than Google nowadays. And I apologoze for shilling a Russian company, but it is true! For some queries, Yandex is better than Google. I have replaced Google completely with DDG for most searches, ChatGPT for some things, GitHub Copilot for mundane code questions, phind or code.you.com for things requiring more search, and Kagi for things requiring much more searc…
'Yandex is better than Google nowadays.'
I also find x is better than y for some things. I switched to DDG a couple of years and seldom have to revert to Google but, to be fair, results tend to be about the same for most queries, save a few nuances.
Kagi are getting a lot of love around here, likely because they block a few annoying domains and boost some others.
The real problem is the quality of free to access sites generally available and this is a problem that's not so simple to solve.
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> it's easy to click "block this domain" Friendly reminder that google had this feature a decade ago then removed it. Hopefully someone in the C-Suite got a few back pats for that decision. https://searchengineland.com/google-brings-back-blocking-sit...
Google's gotta make money off Pinterest somehow, based on the most blocked domains on Kagi: https://kagi.com/stats Pinterest is a scourge on the modern web, worse than any other.
It is indeed, hence “https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=%s -site:quora.com -site:pinterest.com” as my default search syntax.
Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#535Hmm most of the things I used search for are now covered by ChatGPT (for which I use the api which costs cents). I don't think web search is still important enough for me to pay for. A year ago it would have been. I originally signed up with kagi but I wasn't too impressed and then they came with the limited plans and that was it. Not sure if I'll go back now. And yeah like the article says it was priced for "silicon…
what do you use to hit the api? is there a good CLI tool for linux?
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#536I think Kagi sounds interesting but the business model is a tough one outside of niche HN types. E.g. I am interested but can't be bothered to pursue it as it seems like an unnecessary additional SAS model cost to my monthly budget. How does search quality really change my life? Entrenched behavior is tough to overcome especially ostensibly free products.
I’m waiting to pay $10/month for search+email. That I will do as I also keep meaning to switch off gmail to a pay service.
Icloud is $0.99/mo to bring your own domain if you’re already on ios.
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I’m waiting to pay $10/month for search+email. That I will do as I also keep meaning to switch off gmail to a pay service.
You can get unlimited email domains/accounts for $19/year. Assuming you don't receive more than 200 emails a day. https://migadu.com/pricing/
20 outgoing emails a day seems more limiting than 200 incoming though.
Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#538Earlier quoted context omitted.
Advertising has always felt zero-sum to me. Like, I already want shoes, the ad isn’t going to wear holes in the soles of my old ones, the holes are there already, so the ad will just push me one way or another. So, I guess it is not just a tax on the poor and stupid. Everyone has to pay, company A buys ads, company B burns an equally large pile of money to cancel it out, and we’re just back where we started.
If you're a new company, buying ads can help you get customers who would otherwise have bought something from your older, more well-known competitor. Disclosure: I work for Google, but not on ads.
Hmmm… my impression was that Google is an ad company, wasn’t aware they did anything but collect data for ads and deliver ads, I’m curious to hear what you work on that isn’t “ads”
Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#539What annoys me is that no search engine places quitfacebook.org among the first results despite searching for “quit facebook”.
Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month
#540Kagi seems great and I’m more than willing to pay, but then my searches get literally attached to my credit card. At least Google can pretend it doesn’t know me directly..
It’s not that I am involved in shady business, but I do look up strange things from time to time.
How do others feel about this?
(I feel like there is a need for a private, maybe even local, search?)