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Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by mgachka »

As a user of clickhouse since 2018 I'm fully aligned with the content of this article. This technology is one of the best I've been using in my career.

The choice of clickhouse for a new project in my company has always been a no-brainer, but the recent move from clickhouse.inc to a closed source version has made this choice less straightforward.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by bitshiftin »

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That isn't sustainable. How do you solve that? Other than fencing off exclusive enterprise features.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by Sphax »

bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

Exactly. I have no problem with open source developers shifting to an open core model so they can get paid, even if it means I as a user don't get these new features for free.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by sylvinus »

bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

There's a kind of survivorship bias here! I'm sure that if Altinity (or others) weren't forced to do RFCs on GitHub like the one mentioned in this article that get low/no attention from the core team, they would be in the top committers :)

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by 3np »

bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

Yeah, so, if maintainers started blocking external contributions for business reasons or changed the license of the upstream repo, that would be a legitimate concern.

If this blog post raises any legitimate concerns, I missed them. All I see is entitlement to continue get work for free. If you're concerned about gaps in ClickHouse functionality, maybe pick up the slack and contribute back?

It takes a village to raise a database, as the saying goes.

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by remorses »

bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

A license that doesn’t allow reselling the service is good enough

For example I saw this with Tailwind UI

Re: Is ClickHouse Moving Away from Open Source?

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Post by mgachka »

bitshiftin wrote: post #4

The blog author founded altinity. Altinity's main product offering is a hosted clickhouse service. The top 10 committers to clickhouse all seem to be clickhouse employees. Looking at altinity on github, they contribute much less open source. If clickhouse the company are spending 40%+ of their money to build the product, then others including altinity spend 5% dev and 80% marketing, they will get more customers. That…

"A license that doesn’t allow reselling the service is good enough For example, I saw this with Tailwind UI" FYI, we discussed it in this thread https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/44767. For the moment, the only way to get the new features is to use the cloud version (which is likely to be a no-go for most companies managing their own clickhouse infrastructure).
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