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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wackget »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #371
wackget wrote: post #150

Call me tight-fisted or naive or whatever but I don't see $10/month as a remotely attractive price point and I don't see how they can justify it, especially when their results are still powered at least in part by external indexers. $10/month can get you terabytes of media on streaming platforms. $1-2/month is what I would pay.

Honestly, I think you're part of the tight-fisted minority. For the average person, there's no real difference between $2/mo and $10/mo. They're both in that "more expensive than free, but not expensive enough to think about" category.

Eh, that's $24/year vs. $120/year. One is justifiable for what is essentially a luxury convenience. The other is not.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by BizarreByte »

tiagod wrote: post #341
kelnos wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> yet another stackoverflow copy I never got why these even ever appear in Google search results (or any search results, really). It feels like it would be super trivial to identify sites that are scraped copies of other sites. Granted, without foreknowledge, the engine doesn't know which is the original. But at the very least this can be determined by a human once, and then the problem goes away forever for that par…

That ship has already sailed, they are already using AI in mass to generate original looking content.

At this point it's just safer to treat any content newer than about a year ago as highly suspect. Bots and fake content have been around for years, but things changed when ChatGPT and the copycats went live.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by gcanyon »

simondotau wrote: post #300
hedora wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's been losing in blind comparisons for over a decade (experiments: - Both have google branding -> competitor wins - Neither has google branding -> competitor wins - One (chosen randomly) has google branding -> google branding wins Yahoo search consistently beat them for a few years before Microsoft bought it and turned it into Bing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Yandex is also producing better results.

I participated in this kind of experiment in 2007 comparing Google to Bing, and ho boy, the Bing results were abysmal. (Then again Google results today are so abysmal that it wouldn’t surprise me if Bing is now dramatically better.)

Even when Bing was specifically advertising their head-to-head site, every time I tried it, google won. I don't remember when this was -- maybe 2012? -- but I tried it at least a dozen times, and Bing didn't win even once.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wackget »

carlosjobim wrote: post #167
wackget wrote: post #150

Call me tight-fisted or naive or whatever but I don't see $10/month as a remotely attractive price point and I don't see how they can justify it, especially when their results are still powered at least in part by external indexers. $10/month can get you terabytes of media on streaming platforms. $1-2/month is what I would pay.

Assuming you've already paid $10 for your terabytes of streaming and that wasn't the last dollar you owned, how does paying for a completely different thing relate to your media streaming? I can buy potatoes that last me for a week for the same price as for what I'd pay to just get a coffee, but if I've already bought my potatoes and have money to spare, why couldn't I buy also the coffee?

My point was that their supply cost should be minimal especially if they don't fully host and run their own crawlers/indexers.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by MatthiasPortzel »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31
mongol wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?

> Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? Encourage you to try it. I've repeated Scott Galloway's mantra that advertisement is a tax on America's poor and stupid. But I never quite clocked the cost of search ads. It might be solely due to that lack of scrolling through crud that makes Kagi seem much, much faster than Google or DuckDuckGo.

You can turn off ads in DuckDuckGo. Settings > General > Advertisements = Off.

Obviously you can also use an ad blocker, but I think DuckDuckGo deserves more credit for making it a first-party option.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by carlosjobim »

arp242 wrote: post #198
dbrueck wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you, but it's also really hard from the service provider's perspective because - for many people at least - the allotment of searches starts to become a hinderance on using it. By making it feel a finite resource, some percentage of the users will start to ration their use of your service and/or do some deliberation before using it ("I kinda want to look that up, but I don't know if I want to spend one of my s…

Yeah, exactly. I looked at Kagi last week (first time I had heard of it), when the $10/month plan was "only" 1,000 searches a month and "unlimited" was $25. While I think that I'll probably stay well within 1,000 searches, I'm also not sure, and it's just not something I want to have to worry about (it's ~33/day on average and I doubt I'll ever hit it, but still...) One of the reasons I decided to skip Kagi for now.

Well you should worry! I've heard that when people pass their search limit, the Kagi team shows up with big pick-up trucks to their front yard and start screaming insults, waking neighbours.

But seriously, I've seen this comment so many times now, that I'm curious: What is it that you worry about exactly?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by kyruzic »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #370
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

None of what you said is true. Use gnome and a popular distribution. Everything will just work out of the box.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by RantyDave »

dooglius wrote: post #287
RantyDave wrote: post #104

Aside, possibly, but didn't Kagi used to be a company that collected money for shareware authors or am I hallucinating?

From [0] > Are you affiliated with the legendary Kagi shareware platform? > No. That Kagi went bankrupt in an unfortunate turn of events. We liked the name and acquired it when we got the chance. [0] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/faqs.html#are-you-affilia...

Oh. That’s… awful.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by abound »

ghostpepper wrote: post #20
wkat4242 wrote: post #12

Hmm most of the things I used search for are now covered by ChatGPT (for which I use the api which costs cents). I don't think web search is still important enough for me to pay for. A year ago it would have been. I originally signed up with kagi but I wasn't too impressed and then they came with the limited plans and that was it. Not sure if I'll go back now. And yeah like the article says it was priced for "silicon…

what do you use to hit the api? is there a good CLI tool for linux?

If it's useful, I recently open-sourced a simple GPT-4 TUI [1], which I use many times a day. And since this is a Kagi post, I might as well plug my (extremely simple) Kagi CLI [2], which uses their FastGPT API under the hood.

[1] https://git.sr.ht/~bsprague/gpt4-tui

[2] https://github.com/bcspragu/kagi

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