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Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by daneel_w »

Svip wrote: post #4
teruakohatu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is interesting. In many English speaking cultures children will informally refear to their mother's parents and father's parents by different names even if formally they are both "grandmother", "grandfather" or "grandparent". I like that in China they formalised the names.

Scandinavian languages have the same. »Mormor« (lit. mum mum) means maternal grandmother, while »farmor« (lit. dad mum) means paternal grandmother. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to continue beyond that (so no »mormormor«).

There is gammelfarmor, gammelmorfar etc., but those indeed lose track of what side of the family they are on.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by chrismorgan »

dang wrote: post #12

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I’m curious how that ended up the entity name for U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by h0l0cube »

wruza wrote: post #88

Someone who started it probably regretted it later. If these enum values don’t differentiate something in os/ab code, then it should be just a text field, a boolean or an enum of a different kind that reflects the difference. On its own it’s just an unreasonable complexity.

Seems like they could have used flags to the avoid the combinatorial explosion

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by Dylan16807 »

bandyaboot wrote: post #90
mercutio2 wrote: post #86

If you are a native English speaker and are surprised a relationship label might translate with difficulty into another language/culture, consider: Brother-in-law It’s my sibling’s husband, OR my spouse’s brother. In many non-English-speaking cultures, that juxtaposition appears bizarre.

I would be surprised to learn if most people regardless of language wouldn’t recognize the similarity of those two relationships.

"First cousin where at least one of the sibling parents is female" is easy enough to recognize too, I just wonder why you'd do it that way. Why group together "mother's brother", "mother's sister", and "father's sister", but keep it separate from "father's brother"?

And then specifying "younger" and the gender of the cousin is straightforward enough.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by mvdtnz »

prosody wrote: post #36

Of possible interest to HNers, kinship terminology of different cultures is a subject that has a very elegant taxonomy. It was a major line of inquiry in early modern sociology, which tried to link other attributes of how societies were structured to how they named relations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_terminology

This is interesting - thank you!

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by mercutio2 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #95
bandyaboot wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be surprised to learn if most people regardless of language wouldn’t recognize the similarity of those two relationships.

"First cousin where at least one of the sibling parents is female" is easy enough to recognize too, I just wonder why you'd do it that way. Why group together "mother's brother", "mother's sister", and "father's sister", but keep it separate from "father's brother"? And then specifying "younger" and the gender of the cousin is straightforward enough.

Agnatic[0] cultures placing great significance on who’s in line to inherit the family’s wealth and who’s not, is my guess.

As a commenter in the thread two years ago noted[1], this represents (in Agnatic cultures) “female cousin who is not part of my close family (different last names)”.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnatic_seniority

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28716275

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by deaddodo »

prosody wrote: post #36

Of possible interest to HNers, kinship terminology of different cultures is a subject that has a very elegant taxonomy. It was a major line of inquiry in early modern sociology, which tried to link other attributes of how societies were structured to how they named relations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_terminology

None of the categories really describe common Anglophonic kinship terminology. Eskimo is probably the closest, but flattens/simplifies it quite a bit.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by SilasX »

mercutio2 wrote: post #86

If you are a native English speaker and are surprised a relationship label might translate with difficulty into another language/culture, consider: Brother-in-law It’s my sibling’s husband, OR my spouse’s brother. In many non-English-speaking cultures, that juxtaposition appears bizarre.

And don’t forget the kink that, in Breaking Bad, Walt uses the term to refer to his spouse’s sibling’s husband.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mercutio2 wrote: post #97
Dylan16807 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"First cousin where at least one of the sibling parents is female" is easy enough to recognize too, I just wonder why you'd do it that way. Why group together "mother's brother", "mother's sister", and "father's sister", but keep it separate from "father's brother"? And then specifying "younger" and the gender of the cousin is straightforward enough.

Agnatic[0] cultures placing great significance on who’s in line to inherit the family’s wealth and who’s not, is my guess. As a commenter in the thread two years ago noted[1], this represents (in Agnatic cultures) “female cousin who is not part of my close family (different last names)”. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnatic_seniority [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28716275

Oh, "different last names" is an interesting aspect.

Someone else linked a page on Chinese kinship terms but it gave an incorrectly simplified definition for the same term so I didn't realize it was a match.

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