Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

Post by derin » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:04 PM UTC

btobolaski wrote: post #151

Arathorn wrote: post #144

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It’s more that “whoever built your client has the keys to send push to it, so your synapse calls home to them.” And yes, that means that paranoid types need their own clients, and that is indeed a service that Element offers.

Doesn't the use of ntfy change this (Android only, I think)? Homeserver pushes to an ntfy topic, app on phone is listening to that topic. Of course, this just moves the intermediary to ntfy but you can also host a different ntfy server which I hope element supports.

Post by beepbooptheory » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

itsanaccount wrote: post #143

beepbooptheory wrote: post #111

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Ok, I'll bite, what even could be the alternative here then? You want something without big funders, totally OSS, and extremely friendly for grandmas? Feels like one of those "you can only pick two" type things to me, but would love to learn that's not the case.

Its fashionable in the leftist world to compete to take the most radical position you can. You described the goal, yeah, that would be pretty wonderful, like unicorns, flying pixie dust and other things that don't seem to exist as of yet.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:11 PM UTC

benatkin wrote: post #149

Looks like there's an open protocol and an open source client implementation for video calls. https://github.com/vector-im/element-call This is great! Jitsi has never clicked for me. I tried it a few times, and read about it, and was never excited about it. I just tried Element Call, albeit an empty room, and the UI feels right.

Post by derin » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:15 PM UTC

amstan wrote: post #84

smashah wrote: post #80

Matrix is great but when is the tech industry going to deal with the fact that many, if not all, bridges are against the respective services' ToS and subsequently put the developers of those bridges under legal risk? Whatsapp has already sent legal threats to multiple bridge-component level project maintainers without any recourse.

My Facebook bridge constantly locks up my account. [1] [1] https://github.com/mautrix/facebook/issues/236

Post by Signez » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:20 PM UTC

brunoqc wrote: post #106

Arathorn wrote: post #67

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wtf is going on is that: a) p2p matrix works pretty well as a proof of concept - you can try it from https://arewep2pyet.com ; it’s not remotely vapourware. b) funding has been spent on core Matrix dev and making Element kick ass (cf Element X) c) an awful lot of very large Matrix + Element deployments (eg LuxChat in Luxembourg, Merkury 2.0 in the Polish MOD, many German local authorities) decide to run Matrix deploy…

Thanks Matthew, I always appreciate your comments. I also do appreciate the Apache license. Sorry for the vapourware comment. It's hard to tell these days. Was the Google self-driving car thing vapourware? It never went anywhere. I know that pinecone worked as a PoC. I ran a node for years, for fun. It's just that it always felt like the progress was crazy slow. The yggdrasil demo was what, 4 years ago? How fucked up…