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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by carlossouza » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:48 PM UTC

crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

I also stopped using Google, but I have replaced it with Perplexity.ai...

Have you ever used Perplexity? How does Kagi compare with it?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by _nhynes » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:48 PM UTC

ghostpepper wrote: post #20

wkat4242 wrote: post #12

Hmm most of the things I used search for are now covered by ChatGPT (for which I use the api which costs cents). I don't think web search is still important enough for me to pay for. A year ago it would have been. I originally signed up with kagi but I wasn't too impressed and then they came with the limited plans and that was it. Not sure if I'll go back now. And yeah like the article says it was priced for "silicon…

what do you use to hit the api? is there a good CLI tool for linux?

I use the OpenAI playground because I'm paranoid that third party frontends will steal my API keys and I don't have enough time to audit the code or set up firewall rules.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by raybb » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:49 PM UTC

> Universal Summarizer, which can summarize unlimited-length documents, audio, and video!

Any plans to let you paste in text or a PDF yet? It's quite annoying to have to upload the audio files somewhere to get a summary.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Lammy » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:49 PM UTC

zakary wrote: post #24

zamadatix wrote: post #15

How many is unlimited? Presumably they don't get unlimited searches for $10 and, inevitably, someone will use more than they planned for. How much more than they expected is considered "fair use" or however they want to term it and why can't I know that before I sign up instead of guess I'm within what they are thinking?

Whatever the cap is, I’m sure it’s a lot higher than google will let you do before they start rate limiting you or making you do a captcha for every search. Pretty much all search services have some cap, after which they will put up roadblocks to slow you down

I've been getting captchaed by Google just for using `intitle:` or `inurl:` modifiers.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by nani8ot » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:50 PM UTC

ghostpepper wrote: post #20

wkat4242 wrote: post #12

Hmm most of the things I used search for are now covered by ChatGPT (for which I use the api which costs cents). I don't think web search is still important enough for me to pay for. A year ago it would have been. I originally signed up with kagi but I wasn't too impressed and then they came with the limited plans and that was it. Not sure if I'll go back now. And yeah like the article says it was priced for "silicon…

what do you use to hit the api? is there a good CLI tool for linux?

chatgpt-cli is a great tui

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by chiefalchemist » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:51 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #108

prepend wrote: post #100

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

>This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much. I see this as the point to any subscription model. Of course they want you paying for more than you use/consume.

Fair enough. Sell in bulk but have some minimum credits per month requirement. More or less, use'em or lose'em. Not super painful, they are paying customers :) But enough to keep it fair to the vendor. This way there's a path to paying for those who don't want or need a monthly unlimited subscription.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by turnsout » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:51 PM UTC

crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

Weird question, but: what do you search for?

I switched to DuckDuckGo a while back but I’m not a heavy searcher. I would be curious to know your typical use cases!

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dylan604 » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:51 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #114

dylan604 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much. I see this as the point to any subscription model. Of course they want you paying for more than you use/consume.

Right and this is the reason I don’t like subscriptions. Id rather buy things. I don’t want a car subscription. I want to buy a car. I don’t want a book subscription. I want to buy a car. I don’t a compute subscription. I want to buy compute hours. Etc etc

Back when Netflix/Prime were the king of paid premium (ad free) streaming essentially being the only players, there were definite months where I barely watched any content and I was a pure source of subsidy for all the other viewers. There are other times, where I swear they (Netflix) start throttling my use to sub-VHS quality. Macroblocking the size of your fist that looks like a 320x240 image scaled to the size of my TV.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:51 PM UTC

crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by LapsangGuzzler » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:52 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #108

prepend wrote: post #100

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

>This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much. I see this as the point to any subscription model. Of course they want you paying for more than you use/consume.

True, but there's also the reality that maintenance costs increase over time for software projects as upstream vendors change their pricing models and codebases grow in size and complexity. I can see why a product like Kagi wants to keep their traffic tied to recurring revenue instead of selling a bunch of credits upfront.