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Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by bradknowles »

wizofaus wrote: post #32
lynguist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an issue: You already have two grandfathers and two grandmothers, how do you call them?

I'd imagine kids that happen to grow up in households with two granddads or two grandmas would find solutions - I remember we called the latter two "grey grandma" and "white grandma" on the basis of their hair colour, though I'm not sure how often we used those names to their faces. And of course plenty of adults call their parents and step-parents or parents in law of the same sex the same thing. I'm curious if ther…

For me, it was grandad (paternal) versus grandpa (maternal).

Then for my grandmothers, they were both "granny" but I included their name (first name for paternal, last name for maternal).

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by klausa »

saagarjha wrote: post #56
mulmen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so this is for i18n and in English would just be “cousin”? Can we assume there actually is a language somewhere that makes this particular distinction and has a word for it?

Yes.

Kinda!

If you have a contact with that specific option set, it'd display as

>younger cousin (mother's sibling's daughter or father's sister's daughter).

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by mjr00 »

bhouston wrote: post #42

This project seems like an architect just gave up and said fine, you get an enum value for any relationship you can think of, what do people want? And this was one suggestion. This enum could have been replaced with data model where you set of a bunch of relationship links: Relationship: - type: parent (up), child (down), sibling (sideways) - gender: male, female, ... I am confused by the "younger" denotation, becaus…

> I am confused by the "younger" denotation, because it seems strangely specific to just the last relationship, rather than all of the links.

In many cultures you address someone differently depending on whether they are younger or older than you.

> This enum could have been replaced with data model where you set of a bunch of relationship links:

How is that going to look on the user side? Most people just want to label their contact "Mom" and be done with it, they don't want to construct a family tree and say "this person is an older female parent" or maybe even "older elder female parent" if they have two moms.

You might think "well Mom is clearly an exception" but that's a very North America point of view. A lot of cultures would find it weird if you could label someone as 어머니 but not 장모 because they're equally important.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by Jiocus »

robofanatic wrote: post #19
teruakohatu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is interesting. In many English speaking cultures children will informally refear to their mother's parents and father's parents by different names even if formally they are both "grandmother", "grandfather" or "grandparent". I like that in China they formalised the names.

Even "Uncle". In english, Mom's brother and Dad's brother both are uncles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like others noted in the thread about grandparents, in Scandinavia we'd say morbror (mother-brother) and farbror (father-brother).

What's fun though is that 'farbror' can also be used (in Swedish) for any neutral/kindly spirited or acquainted old man, so maybe we're not too practical after all.

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Post by calibas »

bhouston wrote: post #42

This project seems like an architect just gave up and said fine, you get an enum value for any relationship you can think of, what do people want? And this was one suggestion. This enum could have been replaced with data model where you set of a bunch of relationship links: Relationship: - type: parent (up), child (down), sibling (sideways) - gender: male, female, ... I am confused by the "younger" denotation, becaus…

Apparently, Chinese uses different words for "cousin" depending on whether they're older or younger than you.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by sensanaty »

lynguist wrote: post #6
lainga wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related question (not really!) - two dads or moms - who should be called what?

Not an issue: You already have two grandfathers and two grandmothers, how do you call them?

Some languages do make a distinction between the patrilineal and matrilineal grandparents, though I suppose having 2 of the same gender parent means you just use the pat/matrilineal of whatever gender your parents are :P

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by n2d4 »

drekipus wrote: post #47
1propionyl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't. But after all English speakers are only a small (<5%) minority of the world.

87% of percentages are made up in the spot.

It's correct if you read "English speakers" as "native English speakers": https://gurmentor.com/what-is-the-most-spoken-language-in-th...

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by miki123211 »

klausa wrote: post #23
mulmen wrote: post #8

Why though? Where does this actually get used? This seems to represent two different relationships. The mother’s sibling could be a brother. For the father a sister is specified. What about the father’s brother’s younger daughter? The description says younger daughter in both cases but the name doesn’t specify. So what’s the class for the older daughter of the mother’s sibling or the father’s sister? And if age is re…

There are different words in different languages for those specific relationships; and some languages lack a "generic" words like "cousin" that you could use in English without knowing the relationship details. I'm not a speaker, but someone once explained to me that for example in Farsi, you can't just refer to someone's "cousin", without knowing the person's gender _and_ the two related parents genders.

Book translators / authors must have a field day with this.

Let's say that a character in book 1 suspects his cousin of committing a murder, and nothing else is revealed about that cousin (let's say it's a side plot) until book 5, where new evidence turns up and he is suddenly found guilty. If you differentiate between male and female cousin, how do you translate book 1 if book 5 hasn't been written yet?

Even better, let's assume the books are finished, the author is dead, but you're translating to a language that differentiates between younger/older cousins / cousins on different sides of the family. You just pick whichever word you like more. Ten years later, Hollywood makes a movie adaptation, and the "male cousin" from your translation is played by none other than Angelina Jollie. Your readers are very confused.

Translation is hard.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by miki123211 »

wizofaus wrote: post #40
satya71 wrote: post #26

English so inefficient when expressing human relationships.

And very imprecise. Virtually nobody gets it right when trying to describe a relationship with an nth cousin m times removed. And recently I tried to work out a fairly basic relationship between myself and my son's step-sisters - they're not biologically related to me at all, or even by (current) marriage, but it seemed like there should be a term for it.

Languages like Polish are even worse, because you have to go in reverse, from the person described to yourself. It's the great great grandmother of the cousin of the uncle of the ex wife of your sister, not your sister's ex wife's uncle's great great grandmother.
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