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Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by zarzavat »

robofanatic wrote: post #19
teruakohatu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is interesting. In many English speaking cultures children will informally refear to their mother's parents and father's parents by different names even if formally they are both "grandmother", "grandfather" or "grandparent". I like that in China they formalised the names.

Even "Uncle". In english, Mom's brother and Dad's brother both are uncles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also mom's sister's husband and dad's sister's husband.

You can have a mother-in-law, a brother-in-law, a son-in-law, but there's no such thing as an uncle-in-law.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by bhouston »

This project seems like an architect just gave up and said fine, you get an enum value for any relationship you can think of, what do people want? And this was one suggestion.

This enum could have been replaced with data model where you set of a bunch of relationship links:

Relationship:

- type: parent (up), child (down), sibling (sideways)

- gender: male, female, ...

I am confused by the "younger" denotation, because it seems strangely specific to just the last relationship, rather than all of the links.

If you have a lot of relations, it would be easier to just create a family tree then you can skip having to have multiple duplicate links being created for say each cousin.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by strken »

lynguist wrote: post #6
lainga wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related question (not really!) - two dads or moms - who should be called what?

Not an issue: You already have two grandfathers and two grandmothers, how do you call them?

In my family we gave different words to the different grandparents, but chose more or less at random. This made the words unique and therefore more useful.

It's not an "issue" for parents, exactly, but it is an interesting choice because of how much less trodden a path it is. Would you both go by dad? Would one or both be daddy, dadda, or pop? Would you use first names or diminutives after a certain age?

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by hyggetrold »

Svip wrote: post #4
teruakohatu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is interesting. In many English speaking cultures children will informally refear to their mother's parents and father's parents by different names even if formally they are both "grandmother", "grandfather" or "grandparent". I like that in China they formalised the names.

Scandinavian languages have the same. »Mormor« (lit. mum mum) means maternal grandmother, while »farmor« (lit. dad mum) means paternal grandmother. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to continue beyond that (so no »mormormor«).

Danish: after “mormor” there is “oldemor.” After that you put “tip” in front just like “great” in English.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by drekipus »

1propionyl wrote: post #29
karelpeeters wrote: post #11

What value does this label have for English localization?

It doesn't. But after all English speakers are only a small (<5%) minority of the world.

87% of percentages are made up in the spot.

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by klausa »

bhouston wrote: post #42

This project seems like an architect just gave up and said fine, you get an enum value for any relationship you can think of, what do people want? And this was one suggestion. This enum could have been replaced with data model where you set of a bunch of relationship links: Relationship: - type: parent (up), child (down), sibling (sideways) - gender: male, female, ... I am confused by the "younger" denotation, becaus…

Making software that works across cultures (and especially _as many_ cultures as Apple's software does) is difficult.

I guarantee you that every single one of those enum cases exists, because there is a language/culture where there is a specific word to describe that relationship; not "because an architect gave up".

Re: LabelContactRelationYoungerCousinMothersSiblingsDaughterOrFathersSistersDaughter

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Post by noblood »

wizofaus wrote: post #40
satya71 wrote: post #26

English so inefficient when expressing human relationships.

And very imprecise. Virtually nobody gets it right when trying to describe a relationship with an nth cousin m times removed. And recently I tried to work out a fairly basic relationship between myself and my son's step-sisters - they're not biologically related to me at all, or even by (current) marriage, but it seemed like there should be a term for it.

Two of my cousins were adopted out, found the family as adults, and immediately had a child together. That child is now an adult, and members of his generation ask, what do we call the guy, "unclecousin"?
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