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Quite, if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide ...
If we've done nothing wrong, then why are they looking... By the way, can you send me your bank and credit card details so that I can just verify that you've done nothing wrong?
> Bristol city council and Avon and Somerset police, who worked together on the system, insist it is in place to protect children, not criminalise them Of course! When has surveillance been used for anything, but protection?
This is a category error. The worst uses of surveillance in general do not apply to this case, unless someone tells us how it does.
> Bristol city council and Avon and Somerset police, who worked together on the system, insist it is in place to protect children, not criminalise them Of course! When has surveillance been used for anything, but protection?
This is a category error. The worst uses of surveillance in general do not apply to this case, unless someone tells us how it does.
Also, some police are known to be racist, so if a certain officer gets it in their head to harass a nationality or ethnic group, then their unsubstantiated accusations would be entered into the database and this could then affect the families' chances of getting a decent education or indeed, the teachers may decide to not enter them into certain exams if they've been prejudiced by the data.
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This is a category error. The worst uses of surveillance in general do not apply to this case, unless someone tells us how it does.
When you give someone a power, always consider that it will basically always be used in the worst imaginable way. Regardless of any and all lip service to the contrary.
My understanding is that the teachers that take on these roles are incredibly well trained, understand the responsibility, and know how to be both discreet and keep things privet. I believe a lot of the information available through this app was already being made available to the safeguarding leads in schools.
Challenging the use of this app is good, that's the role of these origination, checks and balances and all that. We need to be sure it is a net benefit for all involved. There is no denying though that if it helps teachers in safeguarding children that is a good thing.
The title made it sound like the schools were installing malware on students' devices, but as far as I can tell this is just a central database bringing together data from different government agencies. I'm not sure I see the problem with schools getting an update that a kid was arrested by police or that their family is on food aid or something. Schools in my area need to know which kids are living in poverty becaus…
The title made it sound like the schools were installing malware on students' devices, but as far as I can tell this is just a central database bringing together data from different government agencies. I'm not sure I see the problem with schools getting an update that a kid was arrested by police or that their family is on food aid or something. Schools in my area need to know which kids are living in poverty becaus…
The existence of such a system just seems dystopian.
Seems entirely reasonable that issues of domestic violence should be known to schools, but this goes way beyond that.
It's only a matter of time before more public institutions manufacture reasons to use the same system. Surely the NIH should know about your police interactions before treating you.
Financial situations? That sounds like they're monitoring what's easy to monitor, even if defending against domestic violence was the original intention.
That said, "we joined up thinking" is definitely a valid argument for much of what the UK is doing right now.
For those not following UK news: a large number of schools had to be closed this month due to people finally started paying attention to the fact that reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete lasted 30 years but had been installed 50 years ago.
Monitoring that would have been sensible… but they'd have needed joined-up thinking to have noticed the problem had started happening in the 90s. (Thus making it one of the few cases where one can legitimately also spread blame to the previous Labour government even though the Conservatives have been in power for the last 13 years).
> Bristol city council and Avon and Somerset police, who worked together on the system, insist it is in place to protect children, not criminalise them Of course! When has surveillance been used for anything, but protection?
This is a category error. The worst uses of surveillance in general do not apply to this case, unless someone tells us how it does.
So only the "pretty bad" uses of surveillance apply and that's ok? Not sure I understand your point.
The title made it sound like the schools were installing malware on students' devices, but as far as I can tell this is just a central database bringing together data from different government agencies. I'm not sure I see the problem with schools getting an update that a kid was arrested by police or that their family is on food aid or something. Schools in my area need to know which kids are living in poverty becaus…