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Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#51

I worked at a FAANG company. My co-worker hadn't graduated High School. I recommend applying and grinding leetcode if you aim for a SWE role. Two years SWE experience is enough for them to give you an interview with a cold application through their job board in my experience.

Thanks! I've started working through LeetCode recently. Struggling to get an interview, but that might be a CV issue. After reading this thread, I think LeetCode + networking is what I need to focus on.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you that course that I refer to? People within companies are all different, so we can't say. Some hiring managers might, others actually prefer no degree, others might focus more "shipped". It depends

To be clear I'm speaking generally, not on an individual basis. Everyone has their own preferences–I personally don't discount it. But in my experience the average hiring manager does, because certifications are often seen as a thing you just pay money for to get a piece of paper. Of course college degrees are like that too, but the quality of "big state school CS degree" is usually somewhat regulated and "big state…

Please take a look at the course.

The courses from Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford, MIT are quite good. There is no paying, just knowledge.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#53

Do you have specific industry areas you want to get into? I was hiring for 5 year for some EU companies (startups to 1k) as an engineer, I _never ever_ looked at the applicant's degree - if you have any university degree, it's a plus ("you are willing to learn") but not much more. CV/past (own) projects will get you all the way. If you are targeting fintech, ML or "rockstar" corps that might be different.

Thank you! No specific industries in mind. I am keen to move to a tech company like FAANG or similar not just because of their prestige but also because I want to work with the best engineers. In the jobs I've had outside tech (especially in the public sector), I've had pretty limited exposure to engineers who are passionate, and I feel I can learn from.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#54

You don't need a CS degree and you don't need certs once you've established yourself. I've been in SRE or SRE-adjacent roles at Amazon, Microsoft, Dropbox, and now a quant hedge fund (the first three in the US, the last in London). My only degree is in English lit. Your hardest step is getting into your first job with good name recognition in the tech industry. For this, your best bet isn't certs, it's networking --…

Thanks! Yeah, my CV has a big financial organisation on it and a medium-sized university. I think getting a job with better recognition in tech is the biggest hurdle.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#55
post #38

For certification, I don't think it's important for FAANG - a referral or other way of getting a recruiter to get you to an interview, and passing the interview, is all that really matters. The only part of a degree course that really matters in an interview context is algorithm analysis. You need to understand how the cost, in space and time, of code you write scales with the size of inputs. Degrees and certificates…

I have a degree from a good university, it's just not in CS. So hopefully that won't be a problem down the line. Referrals seem to be important. I lack the connections at the moment. Need to try and find ways to network with people in the industry.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#56

In a way it's insanely easy to get a high-end tech job in the US. You don't need to spend 4 years in college. If you're willing to lock yourself in your bedroom and do leetcode for 3-6 months, one of them will hire you.

Oh? I applied to Google in late 2021 / early 2022. The suggestion was to grind leetcode. The recruiter emailed me after my interviews to say they'd resulted in good news. She set up a phone call shortly afterward in which she told me I'd passed the interviews, I should prepare for a series of "team fit" interviews, I should see a job offer in about 6 weeks ("the end of February", when the call occurred in mid-January…

Honestly, they might have just filled their quota. I've interviewed at companies where it wasn't that I wasn't good, but they found an acceptable candidate before I completed interviewing.

A lot of times you're not interviewing for "Google", but a specific team. If that team has all it's members, then well, sucks to be you.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#57

I am UK based. I also did CS50x and found it was worth doing and fun even if you don’t have a particular goal. It won’t get you very far though it’s an intro, personally I am looking at CS61a/b/c next. https://cs61a.org/ https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61b/sp22/ More concretely from reading your post the best thing you can do is move companies to a more engineering focused company where you can learn more, before y…

Thank you for the recommendation! I did find CS50 a bit too introductionary. I'll check out CS61a!

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#58
post #31

Genuine question: why are you focused on just those five companies?

Apologies for being unclear. I really just mean the big tech sector. I'm looking at jobs outside of FAANG. I am just used to using the term FAANG to refer to big tech as a whole.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear I'm speaking generally, not on an individual basis. Everyone has their own preferences–I personally don't discount it. But in my experience the average hiring manager does, because certifications are often seen as a thing you just pay money for to get a piece of paper. Of course college degrees are like that too, but the quality of "big state school CS degree" is usually somewhat regulated and "big state…

Please take a look at the course. The courses from Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford, MIT are quite good. There is no paying, just knowledge.

No, I know about the courses. They're pretty good. I'm just saying that there's baggage attached to certificates from random courses, even if some of them are good.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a SWE without a CS degree. Will online certs help me get into FAANG?

#60

I have a BSc and an MSc and I don't ever want to work for FAANG. I work as a contractor and work only few months a year if it allows it. Rest of the time I work on my own side projects - the dream for me is for them to get successful. UK based but relocated to Asia. FAANG might seem like the successful endpoint but theres many exciting companies/startups out there that might make you feel more accomplished than worki…

That's true. When I say FAANG, I just mean big tech in general. I've been looking at startups too!

Do you work remotely in Asia? I would like to relocate too one day.

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