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Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by vel0city »

lunias wrote: post #196
vel0city wrote: post #94

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> Imagine being able to both see the road AND quickly sketch out an idea with a co-worker on the windshield during your commute This is quite a disingenuous take on the screens in a car though. They usually only allow limited interactions while the vehicle is in motion, so that example of sketching out an idea with a coworker already isn't supposed to be happening with the current systems while the vehicle is in moti…

Is it disingenuous? I'd say perhaps hyperbolic or satirical. I remember a time when cars came with DVD players that wouldn't play if the car wasn't in park. People didn't like that so they worked around it. The lockout systems that you describe sound like the impetus for a market of bypasses. I would argue that if such restrictions are necessary then we should reconsider if the screen which necessitates them is neces…

> The lockout systems that you describe sound like the impetus for a market of bypasses.

If we're talking about modifying and buying 3rd party changes then the car not even having a screen from the factory is within the same world of people making changes are bad with excessive touchscreen interaction while moving. We're no longer talking about whatever the OEMs are shipping.

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Post by pierat »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #184
1970-01-01 wrote: post #31

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You speak of new abominations, however grandfathering old abominations is just as bad for society. Could you at least make it not so loud?

> Could you at least make it not so loud? My aftermarket exhaust is louder by design.

Consider it a chav announcement.

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Post by hef19898 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #189
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #33

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Why would that be nuts? It's not connected to the internet and it works. So why change it?

How about spare parts? Sure, IDE disk drives (aka the thing that fails the most often) can be replaced by CF cards, but if your software hasn't been touched in 20 years, good luck getting it to run on a "modern" embedded board. You'd have an easier time if you had invested into keeping the embedded OS, the build environment and the boards reasonably up-to-date.

There are two industries the are leading in obsolescense managememt: Aerospace and railways. But yes, this is a seriousbissue if service love of your product is measured in multiple decades.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by gambiting »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #201
gambiting wrote: post #168

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...people actually use voice commands? I've not used them in any GPS for like 10+ years nor do I know anyone who has audible navigation enabled.

what's the alternative - looking at a screen? I want to concentrate on driving.

I personally find that having to pay attention to visual prompts(turn right in 1km) makes me far more focused on the road than listening to the prompts, which can come without any warning and don't allow you to appreciate what is going to happen with enough warning. I usually glance and see that in 10km I'm taking the 3rd exit at the roundabout, then I know for next 10km I can focus entirely at the road, take 3rd exit at the roundabout and then will glance for next instruction again.

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Post by physicsguy »

version_five wrote: post #14
physicsguy wrote: post #10

I have a 2021 Skoda Scala that does this, it’s incredibly annoying. It tells me there is a software update, but in the same message says that it can’t do it while driving…

I rented a skoda this year and I own a VW. They share the same "infotainment" system and it's shit. I otherwise like volkswagen but I can't recommend them based on their awful computer. I joke that it must have been designed by someone who had never been in a car and didn't know what it was for, and by that standard I guess it's decent.

We had a good one recently; it told us to go to the dealership for immediate service, the horn, cruise control and SatNav stopped working. The dealership said that it was a software update needed?!

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Post by bad_user »

swores wrote: post #148
bad_user wrote: post #120

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Cookies for functionality that's necessary, i.e. expected by the user, are completely legal without any consent or notification. Fact of the matter is, when you see a cookie banner, that's always for spyware shit that the service doesn't really need to serve the user (e.g., analytics, tracking).

> Cookies for functionality that's necessary, i.e. expected by the user, are completely legal without any consent or notification. No that is not the case, though it's easy (and common) to mistakenly think that - in part due to the confusing nature of the various regulations and in part due to how frequently companies and websites purposefully misinterpret them for their benefit. Firstly, there are legitimate reasons…

I'm going to repeat … cookie banners are not necessary for functionality that the user expects to receive as part of the service provided. And yes, this is part of the ePrivacy Directive. And indeed, the cookie banners that only “notify” users, without requiring an acknowledgement to proceed, are not even legal.

Go to any Mastodon website right now. Why aren't they providing a cookie banner for notifying that session cookies are used?

Go to GitHub for that matter. Why aren't they providing a cookie banner? We know why: https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/

GDPR isn't concerned with cookies. What the GDPR cares about is personal data and having a legal basis for processing. And “consent” is only one of those legal bases.

You don't need consent, for example, for using a home address for delivering pizza, since pizza delivery can't work without that home address. That's what's called a “legitimate” interest. You also don't need consent for keeping logs for security purposes, if the retention rate is reasonable (e.g., 3 months). You also don't need consent if the law demands that you keep certain records for fraud detection by law enforcement (e.g., banking).

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A vast majority of websites needing cookie banners or GDPR consent dialogs are doing spyware shit, which includes Google Analytics (85% of all websites), or behavioral advertising via RTB platforms. And the few websites that don't probably haven't spoken with lawyers yet.

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Post by bad_user »

swores wrote: post #135
doublerabbit wrote: post #115

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Nah. They normally have the default "allow system cookies" which is untickable. What annoys me are the "Legitimate Consent" option on all 9000 cookie vendors. There never seems to be a "No to all" button on those.

The "legitimate interest" part of GDPR is just horrifically abused by so many companies, who act like it's a magic two words which allow them to collect personal information without consent because they said "ooooh we really do have a legitimate reason for this data" which is against both the spirit and the wording of the GDPR. I really hope to see a few big cases where the EU fines companies for that, so that everyo…

Meta/Facebook was told that they don't have a legitimate interest in behavioral advertising. They'll need to ask for consent: https://thisisunpacked.substack.com/p/the-eu-war-on-behavior...

Meta also broke the record for the biggest fine this year (1.2 billion). The fines are coming, and if they go after the biggest players first (e.g., Meta, Google), it will send shockwaves through the entire industry.

When GDPR came into effect, being close to the advertising business then, I know some companies that closed shop in EU. But enforcement has been very moderate, at least in the beginning. There's also the issue that some DPAs are more active than others. On the other hand, it doesn't take a lot to set precedents, and EU countries may find that these fines are a nice way to add to the public budget.

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Post by mschuster91 »

hef19898 wrote: post #213
mschuster91 wrote: post #189

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How about spare parts? Sure, IDE disk drives (aka the thing that fails the most often) can be replaced by CF cards, but if your software hasn't been touched in 20 years, good luck getting it to run on a "modern" embedded board. You'd have an easier time if you had invested into keeping the embedded OS, the build environment and the boards reasonably up-to-date.

There are two industries the are leading in obsolescense managememt: Aerospace and railways. But yes, this is a seriousbissue if service love of your product is measured in multiple decades.

At least in Europe, railways got the hint (or rather, the EU forced their hand)... they are switching over to ETCS and digital signalling control based on standardised interfaces. Will take a few decades to fully roll out, though.

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Post by dizhn »

debugnik wrote: post #122
dizhn wrote: post #88

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The accept button is a one time deal. You click it and never hear about it again. Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. They want you either to get fed up and accept it or accidentally accept it.

> Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. Not in my experience. I click deny almost everywhere, even if it takes more clicks, but rarely do I see the banners come up again in a second visit. Tracking my choice is a functional cookie after all. I do, however, simply close the tab when the banner occupies half the window (or I use reader mode to bypass it altogether). That's just obn…

I was talking about devices mostly. The worst offender I know of is google and Android. I think they just settled of court in a similar matter.
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