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Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by foota »

alehlopeh wrote: post #45
foota wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I mean, long before the iron age.

If a civilization was discovered with Iron Age technology before what is the currently accepted beginning of the Iron Age, wouldn't that just mean the Iron Age started earlier than previously thought?

I would argue that it needs to be more or less continuous, if we lost the technology it's a different age imo. Or at least, you can't go back globally multiple ages :) if multiple civilizations discover iron working from an otherwise similar stage of technology but aren't entirely continuous then I think it's reasonable to combine them, but if they all go back to the stone age and start from scratch I'd argue it doesn't make sense to combine them.

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by rdp36 »

bagels wrote: post #50
api wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crazy stuff he says is not the stuff about civilization going back further than conventional models. There are numerous archeologists who argue that and their positions are usually considered outside the mainstream but not insane. Hancock says a lot of other things that are actually crazy, and like many people he’s gotten much worse lately.

What are the actual crazy things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCIZQX9i1A

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by ulizzle »

bagels wrote: post #50
api wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crazy stuff he says is not the stuff about civilization going back further than conventional models. There are numerous archeologists who argue that and their positions are usually considered outside the mainstream but not insane. Hancock says a lot of other things that are actually crazy, and like many people he’s gotten much worse lately.

What are the actual crazy things?

That Atlantis was real and probably had steam engines and lasers and psychic powers when everyone else was still hunting dinosaurs but then a global catastrophe wiped out the world (again) and here we are, half their size and half their glory.

I don’t think it’s that crazy.

What’s crazy is thinking eggs are bad for you and that the fabric of reality itself is nothing but a social construct

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by hutzlibu »

ulizzle wrote: post #53
bagels wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the actual crazy things?

That Atlantis was real and probably had steam engines and lasers and psychic powers when everyone else was still hunting dinosaurs but then a global catastrophe wiped out the world (again) and here we are, half their size and half their glory. I don’t think it’s that crazy. What’s crazy is thinking eggs are bad for you and that the fabric of reality itself is nothing but a social construct

I think for steam engines and laser tech, there would have to be some sort of evidence to be found. The only slightly "plausible" theory might be, if a advanced civilisation would have had psychic powers (quantumnwaves something) and no need for conventional tech, then there is a reason nothing can be found today. And then of course there was a global mage war, with all the psychic powers burned out of the minds of human.

(I do recommend the Illuminatus! Trilogy from Wilson and Shea, for interesting alternative history fantasy and all kinds of crazy stuff)

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by ulizzle »

hutzlibu wrote: post #54
ulizzle wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Atlantis was real and probably had steam engines and lasers and psychic powers when everyone else was still hunting dinosaurs but then a global catastrophe wiped out the world (again) and here we are, half their size and half their glory. I don’t think it’s that crazy. What’s crazy is thinking eggs are bad for you and that the fabric of reality itself is nothing but a social construct

I think for steam engines and laser tech, there would have to be some sort of evidence to be found. The only slightly "plausible" theory might be, if a advanced civilisation would have had psychic powers (quantumnwaves something) and no need for conventional tech, then there is a reason nothing can be found today. And then of course there was a global mage war, with all the psychic powers burned out of the minds of h…

I made that up about the psychic powers because I thought it was funny but that’s why people doubt Hancock. An advanced civilization, whether here or in space, leaves debris.

If we can find the Titanic we should be able to find the Atlanteans. Maybe.

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by hutzlibu »

ulizzle wrote: post #55
hutzlibu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think for steam engines and laser tech, there would have to be some sort of evidence to be found. The only slightly "plausible" theory might be, if a advanced civilisation would have had psychic powers (quantumnwaves something) and no need for conventional tech, then there is a reason nothing can be found today. And then of course there was a global mage war, with all the psychic powers burned out of the minds of h…

I made that up about the psychic powers because I thought it was funny but that’s why people doubt Hancock. An advanced civilization, whether here or in space, leaves debris. If we can find the Titanic we should be able to find the Atlanteans. Maybe.

Well, I am not an expert in obscure experts, but I know that on 2 occasions people told me in all seriousity the idea of a psychic advanced Atlantis and mentioned a name who discovered it, but no Idea if that was Hancock.

And that lost civilisations existed, I have no doubt.

But likely not with laser tech.

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by WalterBright »

ulizzle wrote: post #53
bagels wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the actual crazy things?

That Atlantis was real and probably had steam engines and lasers and psychic powers when everyone else was still hunting dinosaurs but then a global catastrophe wiped out the world (again) and here we are, half their size and half their glory. I don’t think it’s that crazy. What’s crazy is thinking eggs are bad for you and that the fabric of reality itself is nothing but a social construct

One cannot have lasers without a lot of other advanced technology and precursors. There's zero evidence of that.

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by pvaldes »

twobitshifter wrote: post #24
pvaldes wrote: post #9

Don't understand why they had seen a refuge there. Looks much more like a bonfire to me. This wood looks cut in a tip and partially burnt in the other, and the fire makes this notches easily when two logs overlap. Also explains the preservation of the wood, as it was sterilized by fire (maybe minutes before a rain fell or a flood hit). Also the size of the logs (1,5m is too short for a home, but perfect to be carried…

There are chopping marks and striations that show the notches were worked with tools. It’s only two logs so I can’t jump to structure but it’s wood that was worked to lock together for some purpose. Maybe structure is meant in the more general sense?

I would need to see it. Marks in wood would be totally expected in a bonfire used to create and test tools with fire hardened tips

If we are both talking about the same structure, I don't see striations, but the photo mentions two cracks. If those are really cracks (and not engravings carved superficially) this would reinforce my theory.

Re: Archaeologists discover oldest wooden structure

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Post by Vox_Leone »

foota wrote: post #27
alehlopeh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have found many ancient civilizations with a technology on par with the Iron Age. They’re called Iron Age civilizations.

Sorry, I mean, long before the iron age.

It would also mean that technology - and human condition - remained stagnant for half million years. If true it has [no good] implications for [the answer to] the so called Fermi Paradox.

Edited for clarity

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