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Generative AI's Act Two

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Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#101
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Turns out everyone wants to sell shovels

Maybe trying to sell shovels is at worst a good way to learn how to best use shovels or which shovels are actually best? Then you can get ahead in the shovelling game.

Helps if people actually exist to buy them though…

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#102

Can't wait for most of these companies to disappear once the hype dies down and the money dries up. Generative AI in its current form is a huge letdown.

Typical HN pessimism, but I strongly disagree with anyone characterizing it as a huge letdown. Even if you personally don't get much use out of it (honestly hard for me to believe if you give it a fair try), there are tons of uses that will be impacting you significantly within the next year. Contrast that with crypto.

I paid for ChatGPT for a few months and finally cancelled yesterday. As a code generator it’s a frustrating assistant that gets it wrong most of the time. I guess that’s good from a selfish developer point of view.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#103
post #68

Typical Sequoia "think piece" meant to bring in tier-2 and tier-3 VCs onto the AI hype train, further bolstering their own position. I don't even think Sequoia believes in AI per se , they're just chasing the next shiny ball. It's genius if you really think about it. A year ago, they were gushing over SBF. There's no due diligence here, there's no product market fit. It's a legal pump and dump. Much like crypto, ther…

Exactly right.

They do seem to be getting high on their own supply.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#104

Can't wait for most of these companies to disappear once the hype dies down and the money dries up. Generative AI in its current form is a huge letdown.

Have you tried coding with it yet? Easy to see how you could get that impression from just playing with ChatGPT, but copilot/cursor/dropping stack traces into gpt4 is transformational.

I paid for it and Copilot, so yes I have. The code it generates is either great or totally wrong, more often the latter than the former.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typical HN pessimism, but I strongly disagree with anyone characterizing it as a huge letdown. Even if you personally don't get much use out of it (honestly hard for me to believe if you give it a fair try), there are tons of uses that will be impacting you significantly within the next year. Contrast that with crypto.

I paid for ChatGPT for a few months and finally cancelled yesterday. As a code generator it’s a frustrating assistant that gets it wrong most of the time. I guess that’s good from a selfish developer point of view.

It works quite well for my usecase as a coder - generating boilerplate UDFs for spark, etc., generating boilerplate python functions from a description of what it does, rewriting code to handle errors, asking it to review simple code.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#106
post #19

Just a bunch of hype marketing. I didn't read anything of real substance, granted I didn't read the whole thing because it seemed pointless.

Just remember that Sequoia deleted their Sam Bankman-Fried puff piece.

..but..but this time they got it right.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#107
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the takeaway : "holy shit, these things are advanced enough to make people like Blake Lemoine believe they are sentient?"

HFRL is literally just training the AI to be convincing. That's what these systems are optimized for.

The point is that that it can be trained to be convincing in the first place.

The current batch of AI can be trained by giving it a handful of "description of a task -> result of the task" mappings - and then it will not just learn how to perform those tasks, it will also generalize across tasks, so you can give itva description for a completely novel task and it will know how to do that as well.

Something like this is completely new. For previous ML algorithms, you meeded vast amounts of training data specifically annotated for a single task, to get a decent generalisation performance inside that task. There was no way how to learn new tasks from thin air.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#108
post #25

The moment that generative AI became something crazy for me was when I said "holy shit, maybe Blake Lemoine was right". Lemoine was the Google engineer who made a big fuss saying that Google had a sentient AI in development and he felt there were ethical issues to consider. And at the time we all sort of chuckled- of course Google doesn't have a true AGI in there. No one can do that. And it wasn't much later I had my…

I think my moment was the realisation that we're one, maybe two years away from building a real-life C3PO - like, not a movie lookalike or marchandize, but a working Protocol Druid.

Or more generally that Star Wars of all things now looks like a more accurate predictor of our tech development than The Martian - the franchise that is so far on the "soft" side of the "hard/soft SciFi" spectrum that it's commonly not seen as "Science Fiction" at all but mostly as Fantasy with space ships. And yet here we are:

- For Protocol Druids, there are still some building blocks missing, mostly persistent memory and the ability to understand real-life events and interact with the real world. However, those are now mostly technical problems which are already being tackled, as opposed to the obvious Fantasy tropes they were until a few years ago. Even the way that current LLMs often sound more confident and knowledgeable than they really are would match the impression of protocol druids we get from the movies pretty well.

- Star Wars has lots of machines which seem to have some degree of sentience even though it makes little practical sense - battle droids, space ships, etc - and it used to be just an obvious application of the rule of cool/rule of funny. Yet suddenly you could imagine pretty well that manufactures will be tempted by hype to stuff an LLM into all kinds of devices, so we indeed might be surrounded by seemingly "sentient" machines in a few years.

- Machines communicating with each other using human language (or a bitstream that has a 1-1 mapping to human language) likewise used to be a cute space opera idea. Suddenly it became a feasible (if inefficient and insecure) way to design an API. People are already writing OpenAPI documentations whete the intended audience are not human developers but ChatGPT.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

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post #29
post #25

The moment that generative AI became something crazy for me was when I said "holy shit, maybe Blake Lemoine was right". Lemoine was the Google engineer who made a big fuss saying that Google had a sentient AI in development and he felt there were ethical issues to consider. And at the time we all sort of chuckled- of course Google doesn't have a true AGI in there. No one can do that. And it wasn't much later I had my…

The counterpoint to this is always "models work with numerical vectors and we translate those to/from words" These things feel sentient because they talk like us, but if I told you that I have a machine that takes 1 20k-dimensional vector and turns it into another meaningful 20k-dimensional vector, you definitely wouldn't call that sentience.

Yes, and you wouldn't believe you're made out of cells as well.

The brain can't see, hear, smell, etc directly and neither can it talk or move hands or feet. "All" it does is receive incoming nerve signals from sensor neurons (which are connected to our sensory organs) and emit outgoing nerve signals through motor neurons (which are connected to our muscles).

So the "data format" is really not that different.

Re: Generative AI's Act Two

#110
post #46
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I told you I have a machine that takes 1 20k-dimensional vector and turns it into another meaningful 20k-dimensional vector, but the machine is made of a bunch of proteins and fats and liquids and gels? Would you be willing to call it sentient now?

Bro, I can't even do 5 dimensional vector math. EDIT: I couldn't help but make the joke, but I am certain my brain is doing zero dot products as a type this. What these models do is just different. We should consider what that means, and the 'sentience' jump is just lazy thinking to avoid that.

Sorry to tell you, but your brain is doing millions of dot products - it's what the biochemical reactions in the synapses between neurons amount to. We already know how the brain works on that level, we just don't know how it works on a higher level.
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