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Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by Gud »

rurp wrote: post #149
gambiting wrote: post #35

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Nah I like having an app for my car. The ability to preheat/precool the car from anywhere as well as see detailed stats for every journey is worth it(for me).

It's fine to leave it in if you like those features but many people couldn't care less about them and hate the distracting popups, spying, and auto-updates that change functionality.

Yes, but these things are not a requirement for a connected car. I suspect these user hostile behaviours will go away eventually, either through legislation or through more aware customers.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by saaaaaam »

dragonwriter wrote: post #146
saaaaaam wrote: post #136

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British recipes use ml. You’d rarely see a pint in a British recipe unless ir was quite old. American recipes use pints and - even more insane - cups. British distance is measured in miles unless it’s a short distance under half a mile in which it’s metres or unless it’s someone old in which case it will be yards or feet. Of a horse race, in which case it’s yards and furlongs. Land is measured in acres but industrial…

> American recipes use pints and - even more insane - cups. How are cups even more insane than pints?

Because a pint is a defined measure, but a cup is just… random. Should I use a big cup or a little cup? A teacup? A coffee cup? What about that giant mug from can measure butter in cups but also flour, and oil and water. I can pour 50ml of liquid by eye and be accurate to a ml. I can cut 50g of butter from a block and be accurate to a couple of grams. A cup though? God help me.

I do not understand cups!

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by dragonwriter »

saaaaaam wrote: post #182
dragonwriter wrote: post #146

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> American recipes use pints and - even more insane - cups. How are cups even more insane than pints?

Because a pint is a defined measure, but a cup is just… random. Should I use a big cup or a little cup? A teacup? A coffee cup? What about that giant mug from can measure butter in cups but also flour, and oil and water. I can pour 50ml of liquid by eye and be accurate to a ml. I can cut 50g of butter from a block and be accurate to a couple of grams. A cup though? God help me. I do not understand cups!

> Because a pint is a defined measure, but a cup is just… random.

A cup is a defined measure equal to 1/2 pint. (Or, equivalently, 8 fluid ounces.)

Or, since you can pour by eye to within 1ml, more useful to you might be ~236.6ml

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #31
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #5

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I'll continue driving my loud gas guzzling 19mpg car for as long as I can keep it going because these ultra connected new cars are abominations

You speak of new abominations, however grandfathering old abominations is just as bad for society. Could you at least make it not so loud?

> Could you at least make it not so loud?

My aftermarket exhaust is louder by design.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by CamperBob2 »

freedomben wrote: post #167
CamperBob2 wrote: post #157

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The problem is, there's not just one "CAN/LIN bus." There are probably a dozen different segments. One device attached to one segment can only talk to the upstream gateway and whatever peripherals are on that bus segment. Of course this isn't a problem per se, it's good design -- but it has the side effect of making it harder to hack your own car through a single point of entry other than the main OBD2 port, which is…

> it has the side effect of making it harder to hack your own car through a single point of entry other than the main OBD2 port Thanks! Do you know by chance if the OBD2 port can talk to/control everything? Would that be a good entrypoint?

In my own VW group cars, the CAN bus pins on the OBD2 port do have access to everything. I don't know if that's true for all/most cars in general, though.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by distract8901 »

freedomben wrote: post #158
distract8901 wrote: post #132

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My Samsung phone has forced updates even worse than this. It will download an update silently in the background and will nag me with a new notification every couple of hours. It will let me delay the update for a random length of time before just rebooting on its own. The last update let me delay for something like 10 hours, but I've also had it reboot in the middle of the day while I was using my phone to show somet…

Dang, so this is a recent Samsung phone then? I've heard really good things about Samsung though the last one I used was the Galaxy S3 and that was my wife's phone. What are you going to get instead? I've been pleased with the Pixel line and have delayed updates for many weeks. It will just nag me with a popup every week or so but never forces. OnePlus I've also been very pleased with and have never even gotten a nag…

Note 10+. It was their flagship model 3 or 4 years ago.

I can't decide what phone to replace it with. I love the idea of the pinephone but it's way too cheap. The other open source options are way too expensive.

The best option seems to be a Pixel device with a custom OS, but I'm loath to give google money.

Under no circumstances will I buy another phone that I can't run a custom OS on.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by mschuster91 »

bondarchuk wrote: post #21
mschuster91 wrote: post #20

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There are trains still running on the German rail with their displays running Windows 95/98. The embedded world in general is nuts. Unless absolutely necessary, nothing gets upgraded once a system works.

That sounds like the opposite of nuts. What would be nuts is to do a whole bunch of work to upgrade something that's already working for literally no reason at all.

The problem is, once you ossify, you can't upgrade for whatever reason or extend functionality because the build tools will get lost or won't run on modern stacks any more.

Or, say, some industrial machine - you might wish to allow network connectivity so that the vendor/service teams can get notified once a sensor detects signs of upcoming failure such as vibrations. But you can't connect it to your network, or have to take it off your network once the vendor's security support has passed, because otherwise you're just asking hackers to establish persistence on the system.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by grishka »

Tagbert wrote: post #166
josefresco wrote: post #6

Reminds my of when I tried to resurrect and old DJI drone with an out of date iPad mini for a controller. I turn on drone, launch the app and try several times to take off and fail. Try one last time assuming failure and it starts to take off! But then... Just as the drone starts to drift towards me, several notifications pop up within the app/iOS preventing control and sending me into a panic. Drone hits the house s…

It might be best to turn on “do not disturb” during such a session.

Doesn't prevent the very rude iOS updates. When there's a system update, it's not a notification, it's an alert, followed by a fullscreen modal to "enter your passcode to install overnight" with a small button to dismiss at the bottom. That's, I have to say, from a company that prides itself on the best UX in the industry.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by mschuster91 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #33
mschuster91 wrote: post #20

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There are trains still running on the German rail with their displays running Windows 95/98. The embedded world in general is nuts. Unless absolutely necessary, nothing gets upgraded once a system works.

Why would that be nuts? It's not connected to the internet and it works. So why change it?

How about spare parts? Sure, IDE disk drives (aka the thing that fails the most often) can be replaced by CF cards, but if your software hasn't been touched in 20 years, good luck getting it to run on a "modern" embedded board. You'd have an easier time if you had invested into keeping the embedded OS, the build environment and the boards reasonably up-to-date.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by grishka »

I'm religious about never, ever interrupting the user. It's unfortunate that way too many other software developers consider it acceptable. No, I don't care about your updates and onboarding and ToS changes, I opened your app with one concrete goal in mind and you're getting in my f***ing way. You aren't being helpful a tiniest bit.

If you need to inform the user about something, put a banner at the top of the screen. Or show an icon with a badge on it. Anything that doesn't require immediate attention and a context switch. Trust me, none of your stuff is so critical that the user needs to be interrupted.

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