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Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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> But overall, young men hit the labor market or college or whatever less well-prepared as a result of the education system. No facts about it, just some random assertion. Schools aren't going to change the way males relate to playing games, sports, and farting around in general compared with actually studying. What other part of the article did I miss? Oh, this: > the education system isn’t doing very well by lots o…

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Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Richard Reeves is originally from the left, and there is a podcast interview of him by Ezra Klein (titled "the boys are not alright"). In the interview he describes how he was drawn to feminism and looking at gender inequality, and by looking at the data became convinced that boys and men were a neglected cause. He was then frustrated as other researchers and policy people had no interest in that form of inequality.…

plus a rising tide lifts all ships.

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The overwhelming way the left talks about it is in terms of "toxic" masculinity or through the perspective of feminism. The latter is a valid perspective, but dominates the discourse which is hardly a balanced approach.

Is not toxic masculinity. Is toxic humanity.

ah yes the 'all lives matter' gambit

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I wouldn't go that far. I think he's just reflecting typical blue collar culture which tends to be more conservative

> In April 2021, when asked about the debate about raising the minimum wage, Rowe said, "I worry that the path to a skilled trade can be compromised when you offer an artificially high wage for, I hate the expression, but an unskilled job." Very much an advocate for the working man, there.

There's more to that quote if you click through to the source. Before it was this: “I want everybody who works hard and plays fair to prosper," Rowe said. "I want everybody to be able to support themselves. But if you just pull the money out of midair you're going to create other problems.”

“There is a ladder of success that people climb,” he continued. “Some of those jobs that are out there for seven, eight, nine dollars an hour, in my view, they're simply not intended to be careers. They're not intended to be full-time jobs. They're rungs on a ladder."

"[Those jobs] are ways for people to get experience in the workforce doing a thing that might not necessarily pay you as much as you'd like, but nevertheless serves a real purpose,"

And picking up where it left off: "So to me, the brightest line needs to be drawn between skilled and unskilled work. We need to encourage more people to learn a skill that's actually in demand."

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Richard Reeves is originally from the left, and there is a podcast interview of him by Ezra Klein (titled "the boys are not alright"). In the interview he describes how he was drawn to feminism and looking at gender inequality, and by looking at the data became convinced that boys and men were a neglected cause. He was then frustrated as other researchers and policy people had no interest in that form of inequality.…

> empathy is not a zero sum game.

But we are biased to empathize more with women than men, both women and men are biased that way. That is the core of "toxic masculinity", we need everyone to empathize more with men, but instead due to low empathy for men all they say is "just work on your own problems, it isn't that bad for you!!".

There isn't much you can do in that situation, the low empathy burden men are shouldered with isn't something society wants to deal with, neither the left nor the right.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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in new zealand men can't get a job as a kindergarten or primary school teacher (not sure about middle or high school) because parents won't have it.

Male parents too ?

I'm guessing that by far the majority of children in a typical year are from "traditional" families, which kinda makes this question irrelevant unless I'm misunderstanding.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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> In particular you see pointless bashing of young men Examples? >the quasi-marxist idea that men are a separate species that exploits women How is that quasi-marxist?

> How is that quasi-marxist? One of Marxism's core tenets is class struggle: The bourgeois vs the proletariat. Feminism offers a similar narrative, only the proletariat is patriarchy. A group or institution that allegedly serves to advance the interests of men at the expense of women; placing men into positions of power and leadership so that they can enjoy social benefits and privileges intentionally not offered to…

In this feminism analogy the patriarchy would be the bourgeois not the proletariat.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

#200

Richard Reeves is originally from the left, and there is a podcast interview of him by Ezra Klein (titled "the boys are not alright"). In the interview he describes how he was drawn to feminism and looking at gender inequality, and by looking at the data became convinced that boys and men were a neglected cause. He was then frustrated as other researchers and policy people had no interest in that form of inequality.…

plus a rising tide lifts all ships.

apparently not this one though
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