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Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by sdvnwsdf »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #4

Or - crazy idea - don't politicize mental health at all ?? I don't read the news or social media, so it's bizarre to me when someone tries to divert a basic human concern into a political agenda. Mental health is important no matter what political spectrum you're on, and treatment isn't political, it's healthcare.

Is hacker news not social media? Serious question. I always thought it was.

Not that Wikipedia is authoritative or anything but it seems to meet their definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by inemesitaffia »

clipsy wrote: post #46
amelius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Women had less rights for a long time Women always had different kinds of rights, like expressing themselves more with emotions and clothing and cosmetics, etc., and taking care of children. Men don't have these rights. A man working in daycare is frowned upon. A man wearing eyeshadow is frowned upon, a man sending heart ♥ emoticons in WhatsApp is frowned upon, etc. It seems fair that if women claim more rights, th…

Men have the rights to do all of those things.

Almost only if they are élite

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Post by adamwong246 »

“Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally” ~ Chris Rock

Lots of yakking it up about how sad men are but it's all so disingenuous. My experience leads to me to believe that the moment a man asks for help is the moment he has lost the respect of his peers and, should he be so lucky, his female partner. Evolutionarily, men are disposable, and the workplaces and dating arenas we must inhabit reinforce it at every step. For a long time, we were given a medal for our sacrifices which read "You Are A Good Man" but now even that worthless consolation prize is gone. They may fret over lost economic output or the dearth of marriable men, but make no mistake, they care far more about what you could provide than how you feel.

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by akira2501 »

diogenes4 wrote: post #12
hathawsh wrote: post #7

For another take, here is what the right is saying. Worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17ip3ZwG0Q

Mike Rowe is a blatant shill for anti-labor practices and it's clear even in this clip.

I'm sorry.. what's "anti-labor" about this video?

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by easyThrowaway »

diogenes4 wrote: post #3

The left does talk about it. Ridiculous article from jacobin.

True, but The Right is way, way better at marketing. Which has been historically true since the beginning of the 20th century, Futurism and their extremely well crafted manly art paved the way for Fascism.

Check the production values of most socialist-inclined (not liberal, big difference) content on youtube/podcasts vs those coming from the right.

I mean, look at those Lex Fridman videos. Like, sure, dude is probably going to support the cause for a new All-American Übermensch or something like that - But he looks coool while doing it, can't deny that.

More than 70 years ago Pasolini explicitly said "The right is back again because they scream louder than us" and we're yet far from fully internalizing this concept.

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Post by crooked-v »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #4

Or - crazy idea - don't politicize mental health at all ?? I don't read the news or social media, so it's bizarre to me when someone tries to divert a basic human concern into a political agenda. Mental health is important no matter what political spectrum you're on, and treatment isn't political, it's healthcare.

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Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by TulliusCicero »

jokoon wrote: post #18

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> Are they struggling, but as opposed to what when compared to women?

Boys and men do worse on a number of things compared to girls and women within, say, US society:

* Worse grades in school

* More frequently disciplined in school

* Lower college attendance and graduation rates

* Weaker friend networks/less emotional support for adult men

* More likely to be imprisoned/found guilty of crimes (especially violent ones)

* More likely to be homeless

* More likely to have dangerous jobs

* Lower life expectancy

* Less likely to have a real relationship with their kids

Re: Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It

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Post by ipnon »

ch4s3 wrote: post #2

Truly we live in strange times when Jacobin is promoting a book written by a senior fellow from the Brookings Institution.

We are all centrists in denial. It is extremely difficult to enact any truly leftist or rightist policy in the United States (relative to the American definition of the center). I believe it has been critically referred to as the “extreme center,” but it clearly has beneficial moderating effects as well, as we can see from the strange bedfellows responsible for this article being published.

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Post by mortureb »

acdha wrote: post #11

The left talks about this all of the time, as do the middle and right. Pretending otherwise makes me question whether the author is actually trying to help or simply sell his book.

The left doesn’t talk about shit when it comes to this. It’s always some feminist bullshit approach that just doesn’t work for men.

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Post by muricula »

amelius wrote: post #29
jokoon wrote: post #18

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> Women had less rights for a long time Women always had different kinds of rights, like expressing themselves more with emotions and clothing and cosmetics, etc., and taking care of children. Men don't have these rights. A man working in daycare is frowned upon. A man wearing eyeshadow is frowned upon, a man sending heart ♥ emoticons in WhatsApp is frowned upon, etc. It seems fair that if women claim more rights, th…

Those aren't political rights, those are social norms. If a man does any of those things, it's frowned upon, but if a woman tried to vote in the 19th century she'd be thrown in jail.

I'm totally on board with people wearing whatever, it's a free country, but equating political rights with social norms is a false dichotomy.

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