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Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by dangus »

drunner wrote: post #2

I mean, any security camera that does anything with the cloud should never make it onto a recommendation list in the first place. I'm not sure if the product exists, but something that replicates a homemade setup would be amazing. Think of a bundled camera(s) + raspberry pi + 1tb backup drive or whatever that you can only access over your own dedicated personal wireguard vpn (or tailscale, something like that), but s…

What about cloud services that offer end to end encryption?

It seems like HomeKit Secure Video has pretty good security design: https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/icloud-homekit-secure...

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by lfmunoz4 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #12

Anyone have a recommendation for the an affordable security cameras that would works without a cloud? I want to replace a collection of Blink cameras. Looking for doorbell cam, indoor and outdoor. Home Automation integration a plus.

amcrest is the best I found. 100 dollars, HD, power over ethernet. built-in http interface to grab videos / stream video. So you I just plugin ethernet cable camera gets an IP, and you can configure it to push videos at some interval to any server, or connect to stream for a live stream.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by bri3d »

nickthegreek wrote: post #12

Anyone have a recommendation for the an affordable security cameras that would works without a cloud? I want to replace a collection of Blink cameras. Looking for doorbell cam, indoor and outdoor. Home Automation integration a plus.

Ubiquiti, for some definition of affordable, if you want something that works out of the box.

Cheap IP CCTV cameras like Reolink, Loryta, or Amcrest, isolated in their own physical LAN (they're full of security vulnerabilities, but you can keep them isolated and not care), and combined with Frigate + HomeAssistant is pretty good too if you want to nerd out on a solution. I personally hate needing out on home computing stuff but this is the one place I chose to invest because off the shelf cloud solutions are _so bad_.

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Post by joshstrange »

nickthegreek wrote: post #12

Anyone have a recommendation for the an affordable security cameras that would works without a cloud? I want to replace a collection of Blink cameras. Looking for doorbell cam, indoor and outdoor. Home Automation integration a plus.

Reolink + Reolink NVR. Completely locally, you don't have to touch the cloud. I can access it from anywhere (after punching holes in my router for specific ports or just VPN). I ran ZoneMinder with IPCams for years before just getting the Reolink NVR (I already had mostly Reolink Cameras) and I'm still kicking myself for not doing it sooner. I have spent a grand total of zero minutes of maintenance on this NVR, I spent untold hours babysitting ZoneMinder. Also the NVR has RTSP (or is it RTMP?) feeds I can pull into HomeAssistant and use for display/processing.

So many times I'd go to pull up a feed in ZoneMinder and realize the system was down, locked up, having some other odd issue. With my Reolink NVR "It just works", it was worth every penny and it wasn't even that expensive.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by mptest »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #7
drunner wrote: post #2

I mean, any security camera that does anything with the cloud should never make it onto a recommendation list in the first place. I'm not sure if the product exists, but something that replicates a homemade setup would be amazing. Think of a bundled camera(s) + raspberry pi + 1tb backup drive or whatever that you can only access over your own dedicated personal wireguard vpn (or tailscale, something like that), but s…

I consider offsite storage a must-have feature for surveillance equipment, because one of the prime threats is that the thieves carry off the surveillance equipment itself. With modern WiFi cameras without mounting wires and cheap plastic mounting points, that's real easy, and if you had a physical server to store the recordings it would be a target as well; the history of surveillance systems is littered with exampl…

>If only there were some sort of union of peoples capable of causing consequences for companies that act as poor stewards of data.

Would be a great idea! Your wish is granted! Only one catch. The only consequence they can actually level is an insignificant fine ~ 1% of the profit they've made violating the law. Oh, plus a pinky pwomise to not do it again after a finger wag, or they'll get real angry, and the fine will be UP TO a whopping FOUR percent of profits!!!

Seriously though, re offsite storage, one could encrypt all data locally and then offsite anywhere, right? Could be google drive for all you care.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by bastardoperator »

arwineap wrote: post #15
dylan604 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the current verdict on Ubiquiti being trustworthy after the incidents with Krebs?

Ubiquiti is trustworthy. Krebs jumped the gun on that accusation and apologized https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/08/final-thoughts-on-ubiqui...

If you're cool with the NSA backdoor that got leaked yesterday.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37570407

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by mistrial9 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #8

> The fundamental relationship between smart-home companies and their customers is founded on trust. Sadly, very few companies are trustworthy. Not all of them are evil; wanting to get into their users' data; many are just cheap and lazy. They don't want to spend money on the types of employees and process that will result in trustworthy kit. It's actually not hard to understand (less easy to forgive). The device mar…

sure, but you skipped a beat there .. you setup the context of device companies (agree btw), then skip right to a particular instance of security video use with a giant emotional content. But that usecase is "keep me safe from random unsafe other humans" .. when talking about the intentions and actions of companies you, the customer, are trying to use to keep you safe, you miss the part about trivial betrayal of trust as a company. The betrayal of trust by the company you partner with, due to low-cost, convenience and attractive tech, is what a third of YNews headlines are about today.

Random predatory individuals are bad, so are zombie apocolypse denizens.. but the subject of lawful-in-name-only betrayal, in very large commercial markets, seems much more to the point today, here.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

cortesoft wrote: post #6
drunner wrote: post #2

I mean, any security camera that does anything with the cloud should never make it onto a recommendation list in the first place. I'm not sure if the product exists, but something that replicates a homemade setup would be amazing. Think of a bundled camera(s) + raspberry pi + 1tb backup drive or whatever that you can only access over your own dedicated personal wireguard vpn (or tailscale, something like that), but s…

The market for a product that requires the buyer to setup a VPN is not going to be very large. You seriously overestimate the average tech competence of people. It needs to be something you just plug in and it works.

cloud camera's aren't that either, most require the download of an app, signing up, configuring the camera, etc.

You could just as easily give local camera's the "printer" treatment, and most people are somehow able to successfully setup printers on their PC's.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by jszymborski »

cortesoft wrote: post #6
drunner wrote: post #2

I mean, any security camera that does anything with the cloud should never make it onto a recommendation list in the first place. I'm not sure if the product exists, but something that replicates a homemade setup would be amazing. Think of a bundled camera(s) + raspberry pi + 1tb backup drive or whatever that you can only access over your own dedicated personal wireguard vpn (or tailscale, something like that), but s…

The market for a product that requires the buyer to setup a VPN is not going to be very large. You seriously overestimate the average tech competence of people. It needs to be something you just plug in and it works.

I could, however, imagine you buying a "$BRAND hub" for your "$BRAND camera" and other $BRAND IoT that ostensibly set-ups a tailscale kinda thing you can access via the $BRAND App, all while not touching the cloud.

It's ostensibly the same UX as the current cloud set-up, only without the operational costs of running a cloud service.

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