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Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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The president of Pontiac got involved? An engineer spent multiple days on the problem? X doubt

I once sent a message via linkedin to a VP of an error I was getting on their company's website. He answered and had one guy on their team to look into it. They fixed it the next day. Sometimes people answer their messages!

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

#12
Oh man, I'm currently fighting a problem with a mid-70s coupe that's driving me equally batty.

Randomly during longer trips, the car will just die for no discernible reason. It's the Car of Theseus at this point with how much I've replaced, but the issue persists, and the nature of these intermittent problems makes debugging a nightmare. More puzzling still that the car starts up fine after a short nap.

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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This reminds me of a GM minivan that my youngest brother-in-law drove, back in the '80's. He'd gotten it from his father, who was a career GM automotive engineer - and complained that, occasionally & randomly, it would not start. It seemed like the minivan's whole electrical system was dead... Brother-in-law was known to be "not so good" with cars - so his automotive engineer father didn't take the complaints serious…

GM cars are notorious for (sometimes) developing strange problems that would have you think they are possessed with the devil. (Despite post-1990 GM cars being near peers to Japanese cars for reliability overall)

What are you talking about the 90s was the worst era for GM they cheaped out on everything possible.

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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The president of Pontiac got involved? An engineer spent multiple days on the problem? X doubt

Some versions say it's the dealership, not the manufacturer, being contacted, which seems more probable.[0] (It's also from the 70s, which also helps it be a little more believable, imo.)

[0] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cone-of-silence/

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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I have an 83 Land Cruiser and knew immediately what the problem must have been related to from the outset. It actually has a fan that will kick on when the engine is turned off and the car parked to blow on the carburetor and cool it off.

Incidentally, I still don't believe a word of this story (at least as it's told here). The short delta of time difference between walking _further_ into and out of a store would not have enough impact on the cooling of the engine to make a such a substantial difference as to it starting or not. It simply will not bleed off that much more heat unless this store is a mile long and it's an additional 20 minutes to get a different flavor.

The only reason I express the doubt over it is because it makes the story a contrivance, which makes it pointless. If the person's different activities _actually_ resulted in a significant difference of time the car has been sitting, it's likely the owner themselves would be able to easily deduce what could really be the issue. By pretending the issue introduces some very small delta of time, it arbitrarily masks the true cause (which is the entire point of the story).

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cone-of-silence/

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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Oh man, I'm currently fighting a problem with a mid-70s coupe that's driving me equally batty. Randomly during longer trips, the car will just die for no discernible reason. It's the Car of Theseus at this point with how much I've replaced, but the issue persists, and the nature of these intermittent problems makes debugging a nightmare. More puzzling still that the car starts up fine after a short nap.

What brand model is it?

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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post #2

This reminds me of a GM minivan that my youngest brother-in-law drove, back in the '80's. He'd gotten it from his father, who was a career GM automotive engineer - and complained that, occasionally & randomly, it would not start. It seemed like the minivan's whole electrical system was dead... Brother-in-law was known to be "not so good" with cars - so his automotive engineer father didn't take the complaints serious…

Heisenbugs are manifestations of whole-system design failings, where projects are not engineered to facilitate troubleshooting, subsystems are strongly coupled, and everything is just barely held together with baling wire and bubblegum.

That GM vehicles from this infamous era would suffer from maddening, mysterious electrical glitches makes perfect sense.

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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I read a story about a university IT guy with a professor complaining that he couldn't access any websites hosted more than 100 miles away. (Or thereabouts, I forget the exact numbers.) Which is obviously nonsense; computers don't know "miles", only network relays.

Long story short, an idle timeout variable had been set to 0 milliseconds, so any connection that took 1+ ms failed, so you could only connect to systems within 0.5 light-milliseconds of the university, which is about 100 miles.

Re: Car allergic to vanilla ice cream (2000)

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Reminds me of a short book I like that talks about these sort of tings titled "An Engineer's Guide to Solving Problems." It starts with a similar situation - "The Dog Barks When the Phone Rings." Eventually, you get to a section called “If I Could See it, I Could Fix it!” which discusses the importance of understanding the problem before attempting fixes.
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