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United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history?

There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive.

* did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockchain hater but here it really fits!)

** https://www.travelweek.ca/news/exactly-many-planes-world-tod...

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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AOG Technics Limited is a British company and as such finding information on it is a 2 minutes Google job: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/c...

So a lot of what's reported in the following article really is within easy reach of anyone wanting to do business with them: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bogus-supplier-of-jet-engine-par...

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history? There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive. * did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockc…

No, blockchain still doesn't fit, because there's no reason to allow random keypairs to write to the network. The condition for writing to the database is whether your key is on a list of real vendors; the whole hashing/longest chain dance is superfluous.

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history? There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive. * did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockc…

No, blockchain still doesn't fit, because there's no reason to allow random keypairs to write to the network. The condition for writing to the database is whether your key is on a list of real vendors; the whole hashing/longest chain dance is superfluous.

Merkel trees with restricted access are probably the more applicable notion here.

E.g., what most Free Software development uses.

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history? There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive. * did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockc…

No, blockchain still doesn't fit, because there's no reason to allow random keypairs to write to the network. The condition for writing to the database is whether your key is on a list of real vendors; the whole hashing/longest chain dance is superfluous.

I like how OP jumps from “highly regulated world of aircraft” to a solution with zero regulation.

Imagine being on a sinking ship and the captain is all; don’t worry, if we tie this life jacket to the handrail, it’ll stop the descent by floating on top of the water.

IT has been taken over by the rent seeking industrial complex. Peddling hallucination to prop up book sales and conference travel.

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history? There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive. * did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockc…

Yea but then we need another crypto block chain that validated whether a component producer is a real component producer;)

I'm serious though. There are a lot of aerospace manufacturers, even small mom and pop machine shops that take orders for parts but they do comply with the paperwork regulation.

So who or what regulates who can produce?

Is the block chain also going to sit in the factory to ensure that after the initial components, that the company doesn't bait and switch to non compliance and fake the paperwork?

That's why ultimately the final arbiter here is the law, and prison. Even though the lowest level of paper trail was forged, the rest of the documentation exists and the fraudster are facing a giant world of hurt, and prison.

Re: United Is Latest to Discover Bogus Parts in Plane Engines

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What keeps the highly regulated world of aircraft from adopting a semi-public registry* of all relevant airplanes and all their parts + part history? There apparently is only a ridiculously small number of 40.000** different airplanes in the world! This database would fit on a single hard drive. * did someone say blockchain? (Planes and all their components could be NFT mintable by component producers) (I am a blockc…

Yea but then we need another crypto block chain that validated whether a component producer is a real component producer;) I'm serious though. There are a lot of aerospace manufacturers, even small mom and pop machine shops that take orders for parts but they do comply with the paperwork regulation. So who or what regulates who can produce? Is the block chain also going to sit in the factory to ensure that after the…

Ultimately there are counterfeit parts installed in planes that fly passengers. The goal should be to keep counterfeit parts out of the plane. United installed counterfeit parts because their supplier handed them a document claiming the parts were from GE. GE disavowed the parts much later. Clearly a focus on law and prison didn’t work in this case to keep these parts out of the plane. Maybe another system of attestation would do a better job.
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