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Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by skotobaza »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #180
Tao3300 wrote: post #168

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Easy now. It's not like I did anything mean like accuse you of being in ad sales. Also, kettle, you're the one telling people they're behaving unethically.

I don't know how commentors behave. I'm just making the case that taking without paying is unethical, and ad blocking is exactly that. If the very thought or argument makes people uncomfortable, even when they disagree, that is not my responsibility.

That's false. If you put something online without a specific paywall everyone can get it however they want. With or without ads. Simple as that. You want to get paid for your content - put a price on it.

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by thiht »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #3

Interesting to contrast this with their main competitor at Chess.com, which uses AdSense and tracks users with googletagmanager.com, sentry.io, kaxsdc.com, facebook-sdk, and other third-party data sources. uBlock is cutting off lichess.org's Fastly CDN resources without loss of function, but is otherwise silent. Conversely, uBlock, Ghostery, and PrivacyBadger light up my browser like a Christmas tree when I visit Che…

Sentry is not a tracker

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by rollcat »

charcircuit wrote: post #157
rollcat wrote: post #85

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> If you do not have a license to modify the site that is copyright infringement. It is fair use. If I buy a physical copy of a poster, and draw on it before I hang it on my wall, it's fair use. If I buy a CD and it includes an instrumental version of a track and I badly sing to it, it's fair use. If I buy a designer brand table and decide it's too tall, I can saw off 5cm from its legs, and it's fair use. If I downlo…

>If I buy a physical copy of a poster, and draw on it before I hang it on my wall, it's fair use. It's not necessarily fair use. >If I buy a CD and it includes an instrumental version of a track and I badly sing to it, it's fair use. Unless the venue you are at has paid for the performance rights of that song that is copyright infringement. >If I buy a designer brand table and decide it's too tall, I can saw off 5cm…

> It's not necessarily fair use.

Please elaborate, "no u" is not an argument.

> Unless the venue you are at has paid for the performance rights of that song that is copyright infringement.

That "venue" is my home. The instrumental mix was included on the CD for the sole purpose of torturing my cohabitants with my awful singing. Why else would you include an incomplete mix? It doesn't add to the listening experience. As an artist, you could have released an "alternative version" as a bonus track (e.g. with a guest singer, or acoustic instead of electric guitars), but instead you intended to let the listener play the artist. It's not just fair use to use the track in that way, the entire intention for its existence is fair use.

> Considering removing ads hurts monetarily [...]

Money changed hands as a part of a deal, and I was not a side in that transaction, even though the subject of that transaction was my attention - something that I have a very limited amount of, and something I should have full authority over. You never asked me if you can redirect my attention in that way, not until you have already showed me the ad.

If it hurts you monetarily when I use your service and then not look at the ads, then don't provide me with the service. I'll move on, thank you.

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by Etheryte »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #176
Etheryte wrote: post #149

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This is misguided. Just like visiting a site consumes resources on their server, visiting a site consumes resources on my system, in fact, if I don't block ads it consumes even more resources. In many cases I would argue that fetching and rendering the whole flashing shebang of ad garbage some sites ship these days consumes considerably more resources than simply serving the files on a server.

Seeing billboards and print ads consume brain cycles. Walking into a store takes energy, even stealing some prepaid cards consumes calories. That they require you do some effort doesn't mean it's ethical to consume their resources without exchanging a bit more.

By your logic not looking at billboards would be unethical. Surely you can see how that makes no sense. Just because someone spent energy on something doesn't mean you have to want it in any measure.

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by paulryanrogers »

93po wrote: post #186
paulryanrogers wrote: post #181

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Thinking differently makes me a bad person. That's not a very convincing premise.

Being thoughtless and pushing thoughtless or poorly examined morals onto others is a harmful action.

By what logic am I being thoughtless and in possession poorly examined morals?

Is expressing a different opinion "pushing morals"?

So many accusations here. Apparently I'm subhuman, a bad person, and of low moral character. All because I think the exchange of ad impressions for otherwise free access to content is a tolerable bargain, and that subverting the trade is problematic.

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by WhrRTheBaboons »

Tenoke wrote: post #126
jstummbillig wrote: post #90

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The special thing about Lichess is not that it's good and open source, but that it actually pays an okay-ish salary to work on fulltime, while upholding all those lofty goals. It's an actual job. Without the whole thing being paid for by FAANG.

>but that it actually pays an okay/ish salary to work on fulltime, while upholding all those lofty goals. He pays himself a fairly low salary for the work he is putting in.

not for French devs who dont live in Paris or other big cities

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by 93po »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #205
93po wrote: post #186

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Being thoughtless and pushing thoughtless or poorly examined morals onto others is a harmful action.

By what logic am I being thoughtless and in possession poorly examined morals? Is expressing a different opinion "pushing morals"? So many accusations here. Apparently I'm subhuman, a bad person, and of low moral character. All because I think the exchange of ad impressions for otherwise free access to content is a tolerable bargain, and that subverting the trade is problematic.

I said nothing of your character. I only commented on the action itself. We are human and we make mistakes, but we're not defined by those mistakes.

Advertising is unethical. I would encourage you to start with considering that position, read some opinions on this topic, and spend time considering the harm that advertising causes not only directly on the human, but also the incentives and ecosystems and structures of capitalism that advertising enables and perpetuates that also harms humans.

It is possible you simply don't hold the same values as me and many other people. Namely that people should not be harmed, capitalism perpetuates a lot of harm, people have rights to protect themselves from harm, and whether the means justify the ends.

I wish you well regardless.

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by tzs »

Etheryte wrote: post #149
paulryanrogers wrote: post #53

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Visiting sites consume resources. If you walk into a store and take a gift card you're still consuming resources meant to be paid for, even if they're mostly digital resources. Regardless of the car or shoes you used to do it. I don't welcome a world of paid products that also include ads. Yet ads do make some paid products cheaper, like say a Kindle or a TV. Folks blocking ads from a premium product probably have a…

This is misguided. Just like visiting a site consumes resources on their server, visiting a site consumes resources on my system, in fact, if I don't block ads it consumes even more resources. In many cases I would argue that fetching and rendering the whole flashing shebang of ad garbage some sites ship these days consumes considerably more resources than simply serving the files on a server.

> This is misguided. Just like visiting a site consumes resources on their server, visiting a site consumes resources on my system, in fact, if I don't block ads it consumes even more resources.

Did the site force you to visit?

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by tzs »

executesorder66 wrote: post #125
paulryanrogers wrote: post #50

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Actually NOT blocking ads is at the very least morally evil and degenerate. You are a very bad person if you think adverts are morally justifiable in any form.

Flyers mailed by local grocery stores regularly let me know when stores I don't normally shop at are having a sale on something I need, which lets me save money. How is that immoral?

Re: Lichess: Block Ads and Trackers

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Post by c-fe »

bee_rider wrote: post #95
c-fe wrote: post #34

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On this subject, I did see an ad for a small music festival near my hometown, and i brought the ticket and had a good time. If i had not seen the add, I would not have known about the festival, so I actually did at least once see a useful ad

How’d you get the ad? It seems like something that could be posted on a coffee shop bulletin board for example, or placed in the culture section of a local newspaper. In other words, environment and location are all that are really needed, we wouldn’t need to send somebody to stalk you (like Facebook or Google) in order to show you this ad. Ads are only good for things with broad appeal like that.

I got the ad on instagram.

I agree that it could be posted somewhere locally in the real world, and it may have been, but the interesting part is that I dont live in my hometown anymore, even though I travel there frequently. I live in another country, 4 hours away, so I would have never seen a real world ad. Only instagram and all the data they connected about me knew my ties to my hometown and my interest in the music hence they showed the ad.

I agree on all the stalking points and I dont like that they have all this data, but this one time it was useful, i can not deny that.

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