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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by kouru225 »

tiahura wrote: post #169
kouru225 wrote: post #68

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>100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized. Doesn’t sound like satire or commentary to me

It's almost certainly fair use. The Copyright Act explicitly allows the use of copyrighted material for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and the like. Courts have historically been sensitive to First Amendment concerns when copyrighted materials are used for transformative purposes. In Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994), the U.S. Supreme Court emphasized the transformative…

You can do that if you want to risk a legal battle, but Youtube doesn't care about your legal battle until its over. The fact of the matter is that footage can be copyrighted and videographers have the right to protect their copyright. If I go film Trump giving a speech with the sole purpose of selling that material to news agencies and you decide to release that footage on your own platform, then you're at risk of infringing on that copyright. The only way to completely decide if you're infringing on their copyright is through a court case. Currently, outside of unique cases like "response videos," it's common for Youtube to side with the copyright owner. So I'm betting Youtube demonetized it for infringing on copyright.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by tibbydudeza »

corethree wrote: post #821
surfingdino wrote: post #308

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YouTube doesn't want to be demonetized by advertisers, so they are demonetizing Brand. It's basic reputation management / income stream protection. Brand is free to go elsewhere or set up his own streaming / video publishing service.

>Brand is free to go elsewhere or set up his own streaming / video publishing service. Obviously there's problems with this reasoning right? Why bother mentioning pointless rationalization here? You and Youtube both know there's only one video service that offers long form format and that's youtube themselves. Just tell it like it is. Youtube having a monopoly over online video content is effectively gagging and cens…

He is on Rumble - youtube is a commercial company - they can decide who and what they want on their platform.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by tibbydudeza »

It is pretty clear considering his past behavior and own admissions to the effect he was lewd drug addict and turned a new leaf a few years back.

But justice must still take it's course - even decades later - the truth will no doubt come out during the investigation.

What is maddening is his cult on YouTube who did not bother to watch the documentary and the testimony of the accusers before jumping all in to defend him.

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Post by happytiger »

browserman wrote: post #448
bcrosby95 wrote: post #414

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Or reddit. Or email. Maybe we should cut his power just to be sure he isn't maybe grooming some 16 year olds.

With any luck we'll go even further than that and confine him to a small metal box for a period of several years.

We call that a conviction and a system of law for this. We should use it. I don’t think private corporations that are monopolies should decide who can speak and who cannot. Obviously they can protect their business, but then they shouldn’t be allowed to be universally dominant in a technology category like video.

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Post by happytiger »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #573
karaterobot wrote: post #243

> “If a creator’s off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community,” the spokeswoman said. Putting aside the validity of the accusations—let's say he did everything he's accused of, for the sake of argument—is Youtube alleging that he assaulted Youtube employees, app developers who use the Youtube ecosystem, or Youtube users? I assume the latter. But the thing is,…

Yay for extra-judicial, pre-conviction punishment! Even better, if acquitted he still won't be re-instated!!!

Nobody seems worried about how this standard gets applied down the road. They all seem focused on the case study but don’t see how this example applies directly to them so obviously.

I am genuinely confused how so many smart people can be so short sighted.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

corethree wrote: post #821
surfingdino wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube doesn't want to be demonetized by advertisers, so they are demonetizing Brand. It's basic reputation management / income stream protection. Brand is free to go elsewhere or set up his own streaming / video publishing service.

>Brand is free to go elsewhere or set up his own streaming / video publishing service. Obviously there's problems with this reasoning right? Why bother mentioning pointless rationalization here? You and Youtube both know there's only one video service that offers long form format and that's youtube themselves. Just tell it like it is. Youtube having a monopoly over online video content is effectively gagging and cens…

I don't think we should equate demonetization with censorship.

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Post by happytiger »

sneak wrote: post #281
karaterobot wrote: post #243

> “If a creator’s off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community,” the spokeswoman said. Putting aside the validity of the accusations—let's say he did everything he's accused of, for the sake of argument—is Youtube alleging that he assaulted Youtube employees, app developers who use the Youtube ecosystem, or Youtube users? I assume the latter. But the thing is,…

YouTube is like HR - they are there to protect the company and the company's revenue streams, not you or "the community". This is why I think the term "community guidelines" for "censorship policy" is such abusive gaslighting. It's unilateral censorship, not community, and they are rules, not guidelines. It's the same deceptive drive that renamed "searching your bag" to "security screening" at airports.

Well the “community” doesn’t include anyone outside of Google. So, it’s not really a “community” by definition.

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Post by tommica »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #172
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #143

Putting aside recent allegations, it's disappointing what has happened to Russell Brand's YouTube channel. I watched some of his videos a few years ago and they were interesting discussions of the news with a particular emphasis on questioning everything which I see as a healthy habit. Inevitably though, the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outr…

the algorithm steered the videos More accurately, the algorithm gave Brand incentive to change his videos. "The algorithm" can't steer the video directly; it needs to influence the content creators. It's the conscious decision, following incentives, of these people to change their content. And while we can understand why they may have done it, that doesn't make them blameless.

Does the creator influence their audience, or does the audience influence the creator?

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Post by randomcarbloke »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #836
corethree wrote: post #821

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>Brand is free to go elsewhere or set up his own streaming / video publishing service. Obviously there's problems with this reasoning right? Why bother mentioning pointless rationalization here? You and Youtube both know there's only one video service that offers long form format and that's youtube themselves. Just tell it like it is. Youtube having a monopoly over online video content is effectively gagging and cens…

I don't think we should equate demonetization with censorship.

Exactly, he can still post his incoherent rhetoric on YouTube, he just can’t generate revenue from it.

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Post by reducesuffering »

roenxi wrote: post #302
jjoonathan wrote: post #209

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Oh, I think he understands. Constantly criticizing mainstream media for low standards while having far lower standards yourself is the kind of thing that you have to put significant ongoing effort into rationalizing. Consumers of alt media can do it thoughtlessly. Producers ? I'm not convinced.

> ... having far lower standards yourself ... How are we measuring that? Firstly, as a nitpick, the mainstream media these days is Russel Brand. He has an audience comparable to a group like CNN. Possibly slightly larger. Secondly, the quality of the podcasters is generally better on net than the big media companies. They tend not to be gung-ho all-weather war supporters for example. People like Brand might get a lot…

> People like Brand might get a lot of details wrong but have more coherent takes on big issues.

The dude has a video titled Hawaii Wildfire: Climate Change or Blackrock?

His views are only coherent in the sense that he thinks everything is a shadowy conspiracy, which morons gobble up

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