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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #148
snakeyjake wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So has the internet completely done away with innocent until proven guilty? I'm not a court. Are you a court? I hope you're not a court. Sentient buildings weird me out. If four employees came to me and accused someone of harassing them, I would weigh the evidence and if warranted, fire the employee. No court involved. When you are self-righteous prick as prickly as brand, it is extremely easy to believe the accuser…

> When you are self-righteous prick as prickly as brand, it is extremely easy to believe the accusers. This is why courts use the only system that has a chance of finding the truth.

You think courts find the truth?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by brigandish »

judge2020 wrote: post #532
sbuttgereit wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. One can only interpret this as ham-fisted virtue signaling by YouTube management and perhaps with staff support. If they are continuing to host and serve the Brand videos, they are defacto saying, "content by this person doesn't hurt our platform in a material way, but we've decided this person is bad and we want to show ourselves punishing him." And the best part is they are tangibly rewarded in this by not h…

> continuing to stream his content without paying for it is despicable and immoral. But he can private the videos at anytime. Even unlisting it would remove all ads while allowing people to find the videos (via links).

It seems to me that you are suggesting that Brand harm himself further, rather than we focus on Youtube's continuing to benefit?

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face doesn't seem to be a canny strategy here (or anywhere?)

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by philistine »

arp242 wrote: post #692
curiousllama wrote: post #198

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This is a very interesting point. Tech-media companies (Google, Meta, Tik Tok) increasingly serve a similar gatekeeper function for public discourse that TV networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) did 50 years ago. This... actually is a hopeful insight to me.

I think the main difference is that traditionally, this gatekeeper function was "decentralized". That is, ABC, NBC, CBS, New York Times, The Atlantic, Baltimore Sun, etc. etc. etc. all made their own editorial decisions, and there were dozens – if not hundreds – of decisions being made, rather than just a small handful of them. This is still true to some extent, but the distribution of stories relies a lot more on a…

Isn't it a bit ridiculous that a guy like that *has to* make his money through YouTube? Make a podcast! Tour! I'm not going to go. I'm trying to spend my money on people who bring value to the world.

Yet, the dystopic future you describe is not 100% there yet.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by oblib »

Personally I don't think YouTube should have any restrictions on who they let use their platform.

If I started a platform for Bluegrass musicians to upload their music and someone started uploading videos of shooting guns I should be able to cut them off without any interference at all.

And they should be able to start their own website that lets folks upload videos of people shooting their guns.

YouTube is pretty liberal in the range of content they allow. They didn't boot Brand off the platform, the just quit paying him for using it. That doesn't bother me a bit.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by jongjong »

YouTube is a scam. The SEC needs to shut them down. The government needs to seize it without compensation and nationalize it such that it can be run in a legal, non-discriminatory way which is consistent with the principles of democracy which made it possible for YouTube to exist in the first place. Surely that's the last straw. Nationalize YouTube.

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Post by akira2501 »

karaterobot wrote: post #243

> “If a creator’s off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community,” the spokeswoman said. Putting aside the validity of the accusations—let's say he did everything he's accused of, for the sake of argument—is Youtube alleging that he assaulted Youtube employees, app developers who use the Youtube ecosystem, or Youtube users? I assume the latter. But the thing is,…

> I'm just wondering about the argument they are making,

You are witnessing the slow merging of Silicon Valley with the Security State. Buckle up. It gets super fun after this.

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Post by edgineer »

pixl97 wrote: post #753
marcell wrote: post #621

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If the policy is “Fuck you, your tie sucks”, then that should be written into the policy. YouTube’s policy does not say “Fuck your, your tie sucks.” They say they remove people for harm to users. But there are many creators who harm users who are not being removed. So that is not the policy. They can easily fixing this by changing the policy to “fuck you, your tie sucks” or “we ban for any reason at our discretion.”…

>then that should be written into the policy. Please feel free to take them to civil court and get the mto change it. Now, I'm not one for this entire "corporations are people too" thing we have going on in the US, but trying to call Google out for this in particular when the courts have sided with businesses freedom of association until it becomes a civil rights violation in the vast majority of cases. You can point…

The only court that can coerce YouTube to change its policies is here... public opinion.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

rcarr wrote: post #307

The mainstream media are trying to frame the argument as Russell Brand is a sex offender and that his mainstream media critiques are thus null and void as a result. Personally, I find it more likely that he is both a sex offender* and he is also right about it being a targeted mainstream media attack. It's absolutely laughable seeing the BBC, The Guardian and particularly Channel4 amongst others trying to wash their…

Well reasoned, well written, and I think you're probably correct in that it exists in both column A and column B in roughly equal measure.

I wish I hadn't read that about Noel Fielding. I love The Mighty Boosh.

It's fundamentally "weird" for someone with 33 years of life experience to be able to connect, in a relationship-context, to a 16 year old. Having said that, celebrity-adjacent 16 year-olds (ie. Pixie Geldoff) probably have more life experience (for better or more likely worse) than your random 16 year-old. Still way up on the "weird" scale though.

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Post by chrisbolt »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #641
shadowtree wrote: post #617

Huge opportunity for X to continue to become the safe haven for "cancelled" content. Tucker Carlson, etc.

Or even an exclusive, paid platform - like Rogan on Spotify. One I’d be doubly happy to continue not paying for.

Spotify has a free plan.

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Post by akira2501 »

jongjong wrote: post #795

YouTube is a scam. The SEC needs to shut them down. The government needs to seize it without compensation and nationalize it such that it can be run in a legal, non-discriminatory way which is consistent with the principles of democracy which made it possible for YouTube to exist in the first place. Surely that's the last straw. Nationalize YouTube.

I'd sooner nationalize the network they abuse rather than their business and all the attendant problems it's collected over the past two decades. The internet has been monopolized and we're all poorer for it.
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