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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by defrost » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:18 AM UTC

SamReidHughes wrote: post #670

hinkley wrote: post #488

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Allegedly. If a bunch of people come forward accusing you of assault, odds are pretty good you did it. However, private businesses punishing people for having charges brought against them but not yet tried? That's judge, jury and executioner, which is incompatible with the set of laws that the US is built on - for which the source material was English Law, and precedent even older than that. So an American company pr…

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It's just as certain to say that if you're an egotistical narcissist jugggling drug and sex addiction for a decade+ under a celebrity spotlight and on record as having had sex with five different women a day between appearences then a handful of those encounters were very probably the kind that were forced under the presumption of consent while drug addled.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by ChatGTP » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:18 AM UTC

curiousllama wrote: post #171

mikece wrote: post #67

No clue whether Brand is innocent or guilty before the law, but if he's exonerated would he have grounds to sue YouTube/Google or do the terms of service allow YouTube to demonetize people based on accusations even if they turn out to be false at a later time?

Not a lawyer (barrister?), but no. Generally, businesses are not obligated to do business with folks they dislike.

Are you serious? If you don't like a certain ethnic minority it's legal to refuse them service?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by ChatGTP » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:19 AM UTC

Manuel_D wrote: post #245

mikece wrote: post #67

No clue whether Brand is innocent or guilty before the law, but if he's exonerated would he have grounds to sue YouTube/Google or do the terms of service allow YouTube to demonetize people based on accusations even if they turn out to be false at a later time?

Not really, YouTube can terminate your account for any reason. If the accusations are false, and if they're the reason why he lost monetization, he could sue the accusers for damages.

The more powerful these platforms become, the more this is a problem..

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by EGreg » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:20 AM UTC

royroyroys wrote: post #584

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #539

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What kind of weird lawyerly nitpicking is this. YouTube does not want to be associated with an alleged rapist. Is that so hard to understand.

Are they not still associated with an alleged rapist by hosting and monetising his content, but not sharing the profits with the content creator? They should just give him notice to close his account if that is the case and close his account.

By demonetizing him, they’ve “done something” and if there is a further outcry they can take more drastic steps. It’s like the very first West Wing episode “a proportional response”.

They just want to be seen as “doing something” and if they do it first they seem cooler than other platforms. Didnt deplatform him, just demonetized. They have done this to a lot of other non-mainstream political voices.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by carlosjobim » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:20 AM UTC

tiahura wrote: post #169

kouru225 wrote: post #68

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>100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized. Doesn’t sound like satire or commentary to me

It's almost certainly fair use. The Copyright Act explicitly allows the use of copyrighted material for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and the like. Courts have historically been sensitive to First Amendment concerns when copyrighted materials are used for transformative purposes. In Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994), the U.S. Supreme Court emphasized the transformative…

Thank you for explaining this. It is obvious if you think about it, but some commenters seem to think copyright can be used as some kind of loophole to shield public figures from exposure of their public behaviour.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by m-p-3 » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:22 AM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #491

m-p-3 wrote: post #484

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The user in question can take out its content at any time as well too.

If they're blocked?

Is he?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by ChatGTP » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:26 AM UTC

rcarr wrote: post #307

The mainstream media are trying to frame the argument as Russell Brand is a sex offender and that his mainstream media critiques are thus null and void as a result. Personally, I find it more likely that he is both a sex offender* and he is also right about it being a targeted mainstream media attack. It's absolutely laughable seeing the BBC, The Guardian and particularly Channel4 amongst others trying to wash their…

In other words, he pissed off the wrong people for long enough for them to do something about it, or at least, he doesn't have any friends left to protect him form the allegations.

My opinion is, many of his followers will stick with him because he is a mesiah like figure to many and people will see this as some type of MSM, Establishment attack because he is revealing "the truth", top comment on YT:

Honestly, dude, it's surprising it has taken them this long to try and shut you down. For me, and many people who follow your content, it is just a sign that you are on the right track Stay strong, brother.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by hughesjj » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:26 AM UTC

agentgumshoe wrote: post #371

karaterobot wrote: post #243

> “If a creator’s off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community,” the spokeswoman said. Putting aside the validity of the accusations—let's say he did everything he's accused of, for the sake of argument—is Youtube alleging that he assaulted Youtube employees, app developers who use the Youtube ecosystem, or Youtube users? I assume the latter. But the thing is,…

It's a stupid excuse. I guess all those 'Fail' videos will be de-monitised now?

If only, that'd be fantastic. Same with the "prank" videos.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:28 AM UTC

bluedays wrote: post #548

While it's not my place to adjudicate his innocence or guilt, the decisions by platforms like YouTube and the BBC to immediately curtail his revenue streams are ethically contentious. Such actions, rooted in the pursuit of reputational safety for these organizations, inadvertently presuppose guilt, potentially skewing public perception and compromising the accused's ability to muster an adequate defense, particularly…

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by sanderjd » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 3:33 AM UTC

mortureb wrote: post #327

jmfldn wrote: post #285

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His decent into outrage-bait, alt-right friendly nonsense struck me as abrupt. One minute his channel was reasonable enough, the next it was totally nuts. Part of me wonders whether this was calculated once he knew that a major expose was circling. I have zero evidence for this, but you can see the logic. Court a following that is sceptical of everything, and that will see an investigation by the 'mainstream media' a…

It’s pretty simple. If you have to be masculine and assertive in any way now you have to cowtow to the insane right because the left is a hostile space for regular men. The right welcomes you with open arms and basically shields you from any consequences for past wrongs. There is no middle. You can get away with just about anything on the right now with no repercussions. You can downvote this all you want but you kno…

I'm a regular man and currently feel a lot more comfortable within the milieu of mainstream liberals.

I honestly have no idea what people are on about when they say stuff like this about "a hostile space for regular men". Like, I just literally have no clue what you mean, no idea what in the world you might be talking about.