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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by voganmother42 » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:35 AM UTC

housemusicfan wrote: post #644

gooseus wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, and I know you must have read this somewhere else by now, that Youtube is not the State. Your employer (should you have one) doesn't need to wait until a court of law proves you guilty of a stealing paperclips before they fire you, and a restaurant doesn't have to wait until a court proves that you are being a public disturbance before they kick you out. A private corporation has the right to do whatever they…

Who made YouTube judge and jury? Let's say, for the sake of argument, YouTube demonitized all Irish because they unilaterally decided they're all plonkers and they're a private company and they can do what they want. Because that's the level of absurdity here. Nor do your examples hold water. This isn't a situation of "you were caught stealing paperclips on video". Rather, it's more a case of Sally the tart from acco…

If you think the examples you are replying to are bad...your example...wow

And I am sure information wont matter to you...but just in case:

The majority of sexual assaults are not reported.

Somewhere between 2-10% of reports are false.

You are contributing to making it worse for victims.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by NoPicklez » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:35 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #631

NoPicklez wrote: post #608

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I don't think it's a load of BS. Youtube is a free platform to host video content, they themselves need to pay the bills. At a particular point that your videos become "valuable" they offer to provide you with a cut. The grey area is potentially how they determine the value

Right, but there's a difference between "we don't think this person should be profiting from our platform because they are causing harm" and "we think this person causes harm so we're going to let them use the platform but take the money we would have paid them".

You need to read my comment in response to the person I commented on, not the whole post itself. Their comment was in relation to how Youtube monetizes videos in general, not in relation to Russell and my comment was in relation to monetisation in general, not in relation to Russell.

However, I do agree with your comment. If the videos cause harm them nobody should be profiting from them and realistically they should be taken offline as well.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by pests » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:39 AM UTC

throwaway290 wrote: post #634

rwhyan wrote: post #622

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> If he is demonetized, then his videos won’t get ad placement Not necessarily true. YouTube definitely runs ads on demonetized videos and channels.

There's complete demonetization where videos have no ads altogether (e.g., videos from BBC if you're in UK). There's partial stuff like Content ID matches. If you post my song, YT still shows ads, but you get no money. I now get your ad money (and YT its cut). Not sure what they meant in case of Russell Brand, but I bet they will show ads for advertisers who don't opt out and pocket the profit.

Right. YT also won't show ads on graphic content like police shootouts or other violent things.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by jxramos » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:40 AM UTC

rwhyan wrote: post #622

dragonwriter wrote: post #591

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> It sounds like YouTube will continue to host his content, but will now pocket the money they would have paid him. If he is demonetized, then his videos won’t get ad placement, so Google won’t make the money in the first place, as it will contribute neither to advertising revenue nor to the marginal benefit from the Premium users derived compared to non-Premium users in avoiding ads. Since Google pays creators less…

> If he is demonetized, then his videos won’t get ad placement Not necessarily true. YouTube definitely runs ads on demonetized videos and channels.

That’s what I heard claimed somewhere. Has anyone demonstrated with a screen recording and a video with an upload date after the demonetization event?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:40 AM UTC

droptablemain wrote: post #185

Anonymous allegations from more than a decade ago, procured by a fishing reporter, should not lead to the cancellation of someone's means of supporting themselves. This is absurd, regardless of whether the accusations are ultimately true or not. Beyond the absurdity, this is tyrannical. Even the "testimony" they released was recorded by an actor. There's simply very little of substance here.

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by the_doctah » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

nimos wrote: post #30

The Monetization Window is the new Overton Window. I think people underestimate how much Youtube's monetization policy influences what popular creators put in videos. Because it's not just the money - it also effects how videos are promoted by the algorithm.

I use Yandex. Google results are actively and overly censored and manipulated.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #599

Let’s go down the list of rappers and professional athletes and see how much harm they’ve caused women. Once again, another coincidence in which side of the political aisle gets censored.

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

ulizzle wrote: post #635

So what happens if the allegations turn out to hold no weight? Does he get his channel back and the bureaucrat NPCs self-flagellate with hashtag mea culpas? I suppose not The culture wars are out of control

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:42 AM UTC

nimos wrote: post #30

The Monetization Window is the new Overton Window. I think people underestimate how much Youtube's monetization policy influences what popular creators put in videos. Because it's not just the money - it also effects how videos are promoted by the algorithm.

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by vinay427 » Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 2:42 AM UTC

incompatible wrote: post #640

aidenn0 wrote: post #500

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By the definition of "punish" that you are implicitly using, private businesses in America used to be able to punish people for anything ("we reserve the right to refuse service to anybody"). Now there are certain things they cannot punish people for (e.g. being black). Are you suggesting that the time has come to mandate that companies may not discriminate against customers for other reasons as well?

It seems to be going the other way in the US. Recently, in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, it was found that discrimination against customers who "violate your values", in that case by being gay, was fine.

I’m not sure that case is relevant to the YouTube example, as YouTube isn’t refusing to or being compelled to create new works on behalf of Brand, or whatever the closest analogy here would be. Refusing service based on protected attributes tends to be far more explicitly addressed, in the US and likely many other countries.