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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Off-topic, I think, writing this down to see if the logic is sound: If YouTube can demonetise a content creator at the discretion of YouTube (because they can), then surely it follows that an individual can de-monetise a content creator at their own discretion (because they can). A platform demonetising someone is surely of much greater impact than an individual doing it. A platform owns their platform, from which th…

I’m not following…what would it mean in practice if I, as an individual, decided to demonetize him?

It means you don’t watch or block the content.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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> People criticising what Youtube does and talking about what a video hosting website would ideally do helps to create the conceptual foundations for the ideal video hosting website. The only problem is that your ideal video hosting website doesn't work. You won't: a) Get enough users because most people want moderation. b) Raise enough revenue because most advertisers want moderation. c) Be able to legally operate b…

I never said that my ideal video hosting website would lack moderation. Ideally I would have control (which I can delegate) over moderation rather than someone I disagreed with, and not have to spend much time or effort on moderation either. Training and/or fine tuning my own moderation AI would be a useful feature.

After you get fired/retire/die someone else will take over your role. They will have their own ideals. Will they follow your ideals? Maybe. History says not likely.

Communism never succeeds past the first (maybe second) generation before corruption takes root. Same with obtusely vague terms of service and privacy policies. Google circa 2003, awesome. Google circa 2023, not so sure anymore

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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I continue to assert that the solution to this is not to regulate how an individual private company decides who to associate with (which is a core First Amendment right), but rather to pass strong anti-trust laws to prevent any one company from individually having enough power over society. YouTube should be free to decide who can be on its platform however it sees fit. However, YouTube shouldn’t hold such power over…

Or just aggressively tax large/high-revenue companies. And speaking of taxing! I'm not sure why highly-successful companies draw so many more "they have too much power" criticisms than highly-successful individuals who often have power over media companies and spend a lot on lobbying politicians.

For the broader media ecosystem, we used to have stronger regulations preventing individual entities (be them individuals of corporations) from owning certain percentages of the media ecosystem.

I’d be a fan of modernizing that concept, defining social media companies as being a part of the media ecosystem, and lowering that ownership percentage.

Force individual social media companies to be broken up into smaller entities, and force a rollback of a lot of the traditional media consolidation.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Your comment seems either mistaken or disingenuous to me: > Anonymous allegations The identity of the alleged victims is not public, but that is not the same thing as an anonymous allegation. The newspaper and television channel know the identities of the individuals, as does Brand. > from more than a decade ago Utterly irrelevant. > procured by a fishing reporter It's unclear what you mean by this. I can't find anyt…

There’s been so, so many of these accusations in the past decade that turned out to be far less than the initial reporting or flat out wrong. Your deference to the professionalism of journalism is about a decade or two out of touch with modern reality. It is only rational to wait for proper processes play out. It’s sad that such a thing has become politicized where one has to feel the need to tar and feather someone…

> There’s been so, so many of these accusations in the past decade that turned out to be far less than the initial reporting or flat out wrong.

This is an illusory rebuttal. You seem to be insinuating that history shows there to be a significant chance that these accusations will be "far less" than the initial reporting "or flat out wrong", without providing any evidence in support of your claim.

> Your deference to the professionalism of journalism is about a decade or two out of touch with modern reality.

Here is a list of all the times I mentioned "journalism" or "journalists" in my post which you replied to. I would be grateful if you would enumerate which makes you think I am affording undue deference to the profession, bearing in mind that OP is suggesting that the media concocted this story and that the use of "actors" in its retelling is somehow evidence of its incredibility:

1. "[These are not anonymous allegations.] The newspaper and television channel know the identities of the individuals, as does Brand."

2. "I can't find anything in any of the stories which suggests that the journalists simply began investigating him hoping to find a story or promulgate the misapprehension that he is a rapist."

3. "In fact, the Times' investigation seems to insinuate that the 16 year old Brand was dating when he was 31 approached his publisher seeking an apology before being rebuffed. That seems to me to be the most likely origin for the investigation."

4. "it is absolutely the de facto standard in journalism to protect the identity of [the victims of serious crimes] with a mixture of actors and altered voices."

> It is only rational to wait for proper processes play out.

I'm sorry if you thought I was suggesting that "proper processes" were not playing out. In fact, I believe that private businesses which entered into contractual relationships with Brand are free to use the rights those contracts afford them to distance themselves from him, given the seriousness of the allegations against him.

> It’s sad that such a thing has become politicized

It isn't political except to say that the people defending Brand appear to be, overwhelmingly, fringe and far right figures who espouse similarly discredited views and are now joining dots which most of us don't see: this is not an endorsement of Brand's guilt, but Occam's Razor suggests that a man who bragged for decades about his relentless and at times violent sexual appetites, and who is accused of rape by multiple independent accusers with – again – reams of evidence _including a series of messages from Brand in which he appears to apologise for raping one of them_ is, simply, a rapist who happens to have the same nonsense views as a lot of those supporting him.

> one has to feel the need to tar and feather someone at the first reporting of accusations and any dissent of immediate overreactions is dismissed as conspiratorial

If you believe that the credibility of investigative journalism is in some way undermined by the use of actors to protect the identities of victims, or that a decade passing between the alleged crimes and the victims coming forward is suggestive of anything other than it being very, very scary and humiliating to come to terms with and be open about being raped, then you deserve to be dismissed in the harshest possible terms. It's simply another conspiracy theory masquerading in a not-very-compelling disguise.

> or itself motivated by a distasteful political agenda or merely getting their information from unclean sources.

That's what it boils down to, though. Assuming, for example, that you do not believe the earth to be flat, you have to rationalise and account for the fact that there are people who do sincerely believe it to be. My armchair assessment of such individuals is that they are probably somewhat predisposed to such beliefs (in my experience it's a rare thing to find a conspiracy theorist who believes just _one_… for example OP seems to be supporting Brand's discredited fringe theories about big pharma, and now believes the equally inane and vanishingly unlikely theory that Brand is being falsely accused in order to silence him), but also that their faith in the public institutions which overwhelmingly do more good than harm (serious news organisations, public bodies such as NIH and the WHO, colleges, etc.) has been eroded to the point where they seek out laughably ill-informed "news" sources like Brand and Rogan.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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> Also, consider that the ones that are silenced we are not hearing about and from. I agree, and find this heartbreaking. I remember reading the accusations against Bill Clinton which, like those against Brand, were independent of one another, made by credible victims who did not know each other, supported by witnesses, and -- like Brand -- included similar patterns of behaviour from attack to attack (Clinton, if I r…

> The journalist replied "You could just have said you don't believe them," to which Gore – astonishingly – replied: "I didn't say that," before going on to enumerate how any crimes Clinton may have committed were balanced out by his record of public service?! Is there anywhere I can read about this? I tried feeding this into Google with quotes and got no results.

Here you go. The transcript is of a town hall meeting Gore held in Derry, New Hampshire, on 14th December 1999.

KATHERINE PRUDHOMME: When Juanita Broaddrick made the claim, which I found to be quite credible, that she was raped by Bill Clinton, did that change your opinion about him being one of the best presidents in history? And do you believe Juanita Broaddrick's claim? And what did you tell your son about this?

AL GORE: [Nervous laughter] Well, I don't know what to make of her claim, because I don't know how to evaluate her story, I really don't.

[…]

GORE: I didn't see it. There have been so many personal allegations and such a non-stop series of attacks, I guess I'm like a lot of people in that I think enough is enough. I do not know how to evaluate each one of these individual stories. I just don't know. I would never violate the privacy of my communication with one of my children, a member of my family, as for that part of your question--

PRUDHOMME [I slightly misremembered this part - apologies - but it doesn't change the substance]: So you didn't believe Juanita Broaddrick's claim?

GORE: No, I didn't say that. I said I don't know how to evaluate it, and I didn't see the interview. But I must say something else to you about this. Why don't you just stand back up, I'd like to look you in the eye. I think whatever mistakes Clinton made in his personal life are in in the minds of most Americans balanced against what he has done in his public life as president.

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He then goes on to talk about his religious faith helping him to understand that "all of us are heirs to the mistakes that–are prone to the mistakes that flesh is heir to".

It's one of the most unsettling moments in American political history IMO.

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