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Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've seen neglectful parenting then, which would exist irrespective of what material playgrounds are built from.

It’s actually quite a high bar for a parent to completely prevent unintended items from being put in a child’s mouth. I suspect you either don’t have children or you are an extremely militant helicopter parent if you can tell us with a straight face you’ve met that bar.

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Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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Strange tone to the article. Very adversarial and doomy. Sounds like 6PPD is essentially required for modern tires. People are researching alternatives but haven't scaled any yet. Other emissions from modern tires are also bad. People are researching alternatives but haven't scaled any yet. Regulatory agencies are pushing to speed this up. What's the issue? It sounds like things are working as intended.

Doomy? The tone seems balanced and pragmatic to me. Nothing in the article implies an existential threat or takes a doomer perspective. The subject is depressing, but if that bothers you, you should probably skip environmental news altogether.

> What's the issue? It sounds like things are working as intended.

Studying and reporting about pollution is part of how things work as intended.

Maybe you sincerely expected something different when you clicked the link, but it comes off like you're seeking out this material and then complaining that it exists.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#33
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've seen neglectful parenting then, which would exist irrespective of what material playgrounds are built from.

It’s actually quite a high bar for a parent to completely prevent unintended items from being put in a child’s mouth. I suspect you either don’t have children or you are an extremely militant helicopter parent if you can tell us with a straight face you’ve met that bar.

While it may be a full time job, keeping toxic materials out of your child's mouth is one of the primary responsibilities of a parent.

This is not a high bar.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#34
post #29

and unfortunately, EV's are worse than ICE cars of similar size, because of the extra weight - so they can go thru tires 30% faster. "Increased tire wear can also contribute to air quality issues. In Oslo, Norway, where electric vehicles make two-thirds of registered vehicles but a higher proportion of traffic, the "air has unhealthy levels of microscopic particles generated partly by the abrasion of tires and asphal…

Here we go. Funny how we are just learning this now! And EVs are the problem. Not the giant SUVs and trucks!

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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There will be mostly two kinds of response to this article. (1) Cars and trucks are evil, get rid of them. (2) Too bad, nothing we can do, get over it. Neither is helpful. We're going to need lots of tires for a long time. Trains don't (and can't) go everywhere. Bikes can't carry everything, and any imaginable bike that could would have the exact same problem. Trucks of all kinds, and buses, are indispensable and nee…

But I'm 23 with no family in Amsterdam with a remote role and I get around on a bike just fine?

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#36

There will be mostly two kinds of response to this article. (1) Cars and trucks are evil, get rid of them. (2) Too bad, nothing we can do, get over it. Neither is helpful. We're going to need lots of tires for a long time. Trains don't (and can't) go everywhere. Bikes can't carry everything, and any imaginable bike that could would have the exact same problem. Trucks of all kinds, and buses, are indispensable and nee…

Yeah because having some small passive argument is really going to change things?

Yes it’s fairly obvious we need them in some situations (you carry equipment on a farm).

But fixing the car problem is going to take proper activism and a greater push given it has such inertia and driving is so embedded. Not to mention corporate interests trying to preserve it.

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

#38
post #17

Welcome to the truth. Tires wear and all of that stays on the road, or next to the roads, seas, oceans. Years...tires... And then, we have to sort each plastic HDPE bag to save the Earth. Feel guilt if we don't. Ok that. I hope that they are sorting waste in Ukraine. Otherwise, my efforts are in vane.

The indignity! Don't do it if you don't want to, but let's not pretend sorting a plastic bag is a major imposition. Just because something is a worse polluter doesn't mean we can't improve anything else.

sort them if you want, but more than 90% of the stuff that is sorted and 'recycled' doesn't actually get recycled - its gets buried or burned just like regular trash.

Much better to not generate it in the first place, i.e. make a conscious effort to reduce what you buy and consume where possible.

"This will likely come as no surprise to longtime readers, but according to National Geographic, an astonishing 91 percent of plastic doesn’t actually get recycled. This means that only around 9 percent is being recycled. As if that weren’t enough, nearly all of that plastic that does get recycled is actually downcycled, which means it gets less and less useful every time, eventually becoming so flimsy that it can no longer be recycled properly.

As it is, that 91 percent just sits in landfills, piling up and breaking down slowly into arguably more dangerous microplastics. National Geographic reports that by 2050, approximately 12 billion metric tons of plastic will be sitting in landfills across the globe. For scale, that amount of plastic weighs approximately 35,000 times more than the whole Empire State Building."

Re: Evidence mounts on toxic pollution from tires

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post #29

and unfortunately, EV's are worse than ICE cars of similar size, because of the extra weight - so they can go thru tires 30% faster. "Increased tire wear can also contribute to air quality issues. In Oslo, Norway, where electric vehicles make two-thirds of registered vehicles but a higher proportion of traffic, the "air has unhealthy levels of microscopic particles generated partly by the abrasion of tires and asphal…

Here we go. Funny how we are just learning this now! And EVs are the problem. Not the giant SUVs and trucks!

they are both a problem, but if you buy a 'small' EV and it weighs as much or more as a bigger ICE, the EV contributes more of this type of pollution.
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