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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by madeofpalk »

mrtksn wrote: post #180
nimos wrote: post #30

The Monetization Window is the new Overton Window. I think people underestimate how much Youtube's monetization policy influences what popular creators put in videos. Because it's not just the money - it also effects how videos are promoted by the algorithm.

I wonder if YouTube takes into consideration local values when doing this. For example, nudity and other controversial stuff can have much different standards on what's acceptable and what's not. If this is not baked into the formula, then it's likely that YouTube is pushing cultures to align with SV or some managers in Google. I'm not going to defend Russel Brand, just making a point about YT's impact. This time aro…

Youtube is not a utility.

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Post by madeofpalk »

mrtksn wrote: post #288
ghaff wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you don’t moderate at all you get deluged under piles of crap, hate speech, spam, and bot-created garbage. Might as well not even try. In any sort of forum context, zero moderation makes it useless at least for most.

Moderation against abuse of your own system is fine, that's given. Even electricity companies will go after you if you abuse their grid but they won't care what kind of videos you film using their electricity. However I don't think that YouTube should decide what's hate speech and ban it. If that speech is illegal, the law enforcement should find the person. Maybe it can be acceptable to let the law enforcement delet…

Hate speech is not illegal in the US. Youtube is not judging what speech is legal or not, they're just making a decision about which types of content they want to distribute.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by Airsinner »

indoclay wrote: post #268
runarberg wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, including immoral actions that others may disagree with. The morality in this instance does not follow this principle. If people find these allegations credible—and most should—the morally correct action is to deplatform him and delete his content.

> If people find these allegations credible—and most should Why should most people find these allegations credible? I do not believe there is a police report, arrest, and let alone a trial. These are currently just allegations, their credibility has not been adjudicated.

One might evaluate the situation based on what I think is called a "preponderance of evidence", combined with an understanding that the legal system is both slow and tends towards innocence unless a crime is proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt".

A person may know how slow and different a legal decision is compared to what may be obvious and a reflection of reality, and therefore might arrive at a conclusion well before a system designed to be conclusive would.

The law is more about what can be proven than it is about what is true, and for people who know that, legal judgement stands separately from moral evaluation.

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Post by asdfman123 »

rcxdude wrote: post #166
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #143

Putting aside recent allegations, it's disappointing what has happened to Russell Brand's YouTube channel. I watched some of his videos a few years ago and they were interesting discussions of the news with a particular emphasis on questioning everything which I see as a healthy habit. Inevitably though, the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outr…

The difference between questioning everything and rejecting everything from the mainstream is an important one which Brand and many others seem not to understand.

Don't buy into the bad faith arguments. They aren't genuinely "asking questions," they're trying to bring what they already believe into the mainstream.

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Post by nateglims »

mrtksn wrote: post #180
nimos wrote: post #30

The Monetization Window is the new Overton Window. I think people underestimate how much Youtube's monetization policy influences what popular creators put in videos. Because it's not just the money - it also effects how videos are promoted by the algorithm.

I wonder if YouTube takes into consideration local values when doing this. For example, nudity and other controversial stuff can have much different standards on what's acceptable and what's not. If this is not baked into the formula, then it's likely that YouTube is pushing cultures to align with SV or some managers in Google. I'm not going to defend Russel Brand, just making a point about YT's impact. This time aro…

YouTube had to appease its advertisers to make money. I can’t think of a utility that has this revenue model.

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Post by robertlagrant »

runarberg wrote: post #174
robertlagrant wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> youtube has decided to believe the victim Not the victim. The accuser, who may be a victim.

I’m under no legal obligation either to deny the allegations until proven. And in this case I choice to believe the victims. And I will keep calling them victims until proven otherwise.

I don't understand this comment, sorry. Who's talking about your legal obligations? I'm talking about what you know vs what you assume.

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Post by robertlagrant »

zztop44 wrote: post #189
robertlagrant wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you are self-righteous prick as prickly as brand, it is extremely easy to believe the accusers. This is why courts use the only system that has a chance of finding the truth.

Yes but the courts are legally empowered to lock someone in a cage for years. So they should be working by a different standard than a company firing someone.

Firing someone for a horrific accusation might not be that different to locking the person in a cage.

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Post by im3w1l »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #6

Advertising companies hate controversy.

That's clearly not true. Advertising companies currently love attaching themselves to progressive causes.

A more accurate statement is that advertising companies hate some people and factions.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by mrtksn »

madeofpalk wrote: post #292
mrtksn wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderation against abuse of your own system is fine, that's given. Even electricity companies will go after you if you abuse their grid but they won't care what kind of videos you film using their electricity. However I don't think that YouTube should decide what's hate speech and ban it. If that speech is illegal, the law enforcement should find the person. Maybe it can be acceptable to let the law enforcement delet…

Hate speech is not illegal in the US. Youtube is not judging what speech is legal or not, they're just making a decision about which types of content they want to distribute.

Then that speech should remain on YouTube and those concern by the content of the speech should simply produce counterarguments and discredit that speech.
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