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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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This is difficult for me. I'm not pro censorship, but I would like a way to not have to hear about Russell Brand at all. Is that possible? I don't want to hear from him or about him. I don't want to hear from people that like him. I didn't want to hear Radio 4 talking about it this morning. I don't want to stop his free speech, I just want to avoid him

Interesting...I didn't expect my weird meta comment about how celebrity 'news' has become Real News to be quite so unpopular!

All kinds of vote manipulation are possible, don't take the downvoting to heart.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt Taibbi brought up a case of a guy who put up montages of Trump saying the 2020 election was rigged cut up with clips of liberal media figures saying the Russians stole 2016. Pure trolling, kind of funny, 100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized.

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> The Twitter files were an absolute joke.

Are you serious? A US District Court as well as the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals found that those files were not in fact a joke, and that the federal executive did strong-arm private entities like Twitter to censor.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #192

Putting aside recent allegations, it's disappointing what has happened to Russell Brand's YouTube channel. I watched some of his videos a few years ago and they were interesting discussions of the news with a particular emphasis on questioning everything which I see as a healthy habit. Inevitably though, the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outr…

> the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outrage-bait videos were getting double the views. YouTube's algorithm plays a massive part in what goes into people's heads and they should be held more accountable. I'm a YouTuber, and I want to be very clear on the above. I know I would get way more views (and subscribers, and money) if I did more stupid…

I see what your saying, but your examples don't quite work.

A reporter telling lies would presumable be called into their managers office and told to shape up or be fired. A painter doing rush jobs would get bad reviews and no referrals, and eventually stop getting jobs. Those behaviors are not incentivized.

A youtube creator milking the algorithm is rewarded for this behavior, with more views, more ad money, etc.

Are we really surprised that people are doing what they are incentivized to do?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #67

No clue whether Brand is innocent or guilty before the law, but if he's exonerated would he have grounds to sue YouTube/Google or do the terms of service allow YouTube to demonetize people based on accusations even if they turn out to be false at a later time?

Yes if YouTube demonetized in breach of their T&Cs, which may not depend on whether the accusations are ultimately shown to be false.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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So has the internet completely done away with innocent until proven guilty? The primary benefit of things like MeToo was supposed to be people being able to take action against individuals who otherwise would have been expected to squash things due to undue influence on law enforcement, the media, and politics - like Harvey Weinstein. But in cases like this, it seems quite dystopic that a D-list celeb, likely with li…

Can we stop using "innocent until proven guilty" and change it to "innocent unless proven guilty"?

"Until" always makes it sound to me like it is a foregone conclusion.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're still hosting the videos, still running ads, but YT keeps all the money. Seems... not right and backwards to me.

Indeed. If his videos are unacceptable, YT should have taken them down. If they're acceptable, then they should give him his money.

Then people would claim he’s being censored. It’s exhausting.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outrage-bait videos were getting double the views. YouTube's algorithm plays a massive part in what goes into people's heads and they should be held more accountable. I'm a YouTuber, and I want to be very clear on the above. I know I would get way more views (and subscribers, and money) if I did more stupid…

I see what your saying, but your examples don't quite work. A reporter telling lies would presumable be called into their managers office and told to shape up or be fired. A painter doing rush jobs would get bad reviews and no referrals, and eventually stop getting jobs. Those behaviors are not incentivized. A youtube creator milking the algorithm is rewarded for this behavior, with more views, more ad money, etc. Ar…

I think my examples do actually work well, in that the painter and the TV reporter ARE incentivized, short term to do those clickbait things, in exactly the same way YouTube creators are.

In all cases, reality will catch up to them, and in the long term they will be punished for what they did in the name of short term gains.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Putting aside recent allegations, it's disappointing what has happened to Russell Brand's YouTube channel. I watched some of his videos a few years ago and they were interesting discussions of the news with a particular emphasis on questioning everything which I see as a healthy habit. Inevitably though, the algorithm steered the videos to become more clickbaity, divisive, and frankly crazy. He probably saw that outr…

Can say the same thing about Jordan Peterson, no? Content from 5-10 years ago was interesting. Now I have him muted on X.
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