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Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by Xymist »

fuddle wrote: post #46
candiddevmike wrote: post #28

Since this is MIT, someone should fork it and add SSO to the OSS version/remove the SSO tax. Looks like they're just using Passport for auth, shouldn't take much to enable the OAuth bits of it. That's why this is MIT right, so folks can contribute stuff like this?

The "SSO tax" is used to fund development of the project.

I'm really not sure why so many people have a bee in their bonnet about SSO specifically. It's really not that valuable unless you're the sort of entity that is required by compliance goblins to want it, and those are exactly the sort of entities that like to pay for things and get support contracts. It's a fairly obvious choice as an enterprise-only exclusion, along with things like two factor.

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by mikeshi42 »

e12e wrote: post #164
mikeshi42 wrote: post #142

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Very familiar with Sentry! I think we have a bit of overlap in that we both do monitoring and help devs debug though here's where I think we differ: HyperDX: - Can collect all server logs (to help debug issues even if an exception isn't thrown) - We can collect server metrics as well (CPU, memory, etc.) - We accept OpenTelemetry for all your data (logs, metrics, traces) - meaning you only need to instrument once and…

Does that mean hyperdx doesn't (yet) support exception logs?

Ah we do! Either old school exception logs, or exceptions caught in a trace (which is the most similar to Sentry in this case).

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by mikeshi42 »

jrowley wrote: post #113
mikeshi42 wrote: post #42

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I've tried liqe! I really wanted to love it - and I think it's amazing for the use case you've built it for, but I recall we ran into a few fatal issues (maybe it was supporting URLs or something as a property value?) and had to fork one of the `lucene` forks to get the grammar that we wanted. Edit: happy to chat more about it as well if you're looking for more specific feedback - it's an area I've spent a decent amo…

Antlr is pretty robust too, might be worth checking out. https://www.antlr.org/

Ah TIL - I haven't heard of them but looks like they're pretty well loved. We haven't had any issues with PEG.js (the lib/grammar behind our current parser) but will definitely keep antlr in mind if we run into issues for some reason (since PEG doesn't look well maintained anymore unfortunately)

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by mikeshi42 »

euph0ria wrote: post #166

Is it possible to have longer retention rates than 30 day? What is the price for that? Do you have DPA agreements for GDPR?

Yes we do support longer retention - for custom retention/plans, it'd probably be best to chat over email (mike@hyperdx.io). Though if you _only_ need retention due to compliance reasons (just need them around somewhere) - we can forward your events to your own S3 bucket for cold storage as well.

As for DPAs - yes!

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by mikeshi42 »

tmd83 wrote: post #154
mikeshi42 wrote: post #29

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Thank you, really appreciate the feedback and encouragement! > It seems like clickhouse is obviously a big piece of the tech here, which is an obvious choice, but from my experience with high data rate ingest, especially logs, you can run into issues at larger scale. Is that something you expect to give options around in open source? Scaling any system can be challenging - our experience so far is that Clickhouse is…

https://www.hyperdx.io/docs/oss-vs-cloud This page shows event pattern available for both oss vs. cloud. The blog doesn't mention exactly how this is being which would be an interesting read but I understand if a secret sauce. I recall quite a few years ago a standalone commercial & hosted tool for doing something like this just on logs for anomaly detection. Anyone has any reference for similar tools for working wit…

It's not secret! We want to be as open as possible - and it's in the OSS version if you want to try it out.

The technical details are best explained by the authors of the original paper [1]. We weren't smart enough to come up with it on our own and can't take credit for that haha

[1] http://jiemingzhu.github.io/pub/pjhe_icws2017.pdf

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by datadeft »

mikeshi42 wrote: post #152
datadeft wrote: post #147

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> While we need to make money at the end of the day Honest question: What makes you think that you are not turning into a Datadog (price wise) once reach a certain scale? The problem what I see with software companies that the pricing is dominated by investor requirements and when a company reaches a certain milestone change up the licensing model and the pricing with it.

It's a classic innovator's dilemma - if/when we get there - it'd be a bit naïve of us to assume the next HyperDX isn't around the corner :) Anyone that believed in us on the way up - certainly has to believe that the same mistake will bring us down. I'd also add that I don't think all services trend their price upwards. AWS has historically lowered prices on services and continue to offer new service-tiers with lower…

Fair points. Putting you forward with my current company as a potential replacement for New Relic.

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by Kiro »

yaleman wrote: post #162
Kiro wrote: post #148

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Not applicable when the base offering is free and open source. The SSO is in the base pricing in this case.

It's literally a big red X on the OSS version, so no, it's not "in the base pricing".

The open-source version has no pricing. The base pricing is the cloud version. This is nothing like the other names in the SSO tax list. The whole point is exclusion of SSO in the lesser of their two paid offerings, not OSS vs paid.

Re: Show HN: HyperDX – open-source dev-friendly Datadog alternative

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

mdaniel wrote: post #167
cheema33 wrote: post #140

I am new to this space and was considering a self hosted install of Sentry software. Sentry is also opensource and appears to be similar to datadog and HyperDX in some ways. Do you know Sentry and can you tell us how your product is different? Thanks.

> Sentry is also opensource Well, pedantically the 5 year old version of Sentry is open source, sure

The rollover of the license is 3 years, not 5 years.
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