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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by VancouverMan »

jakderrida wrote: post #161
VancouverMan wrote: post #150

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You're comparing extra-judicial murder to mask mandates?

That would have to be a separate discussion. It's obviously not the one we're having here right now.

It was asserted that "in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law".

I don't think that assertion is true based on recent events.

Forced masking was just one of many abuses of government power we saw in Canada very recently. If there actually were rule of law in Canada, as was claimed, then none of those abuses would have happened.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by screye »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #107
screye wrote: post #59

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

And what of the murder of Sikhs that spurred that? Or the murder of muslims in India in general? This issue is not something we want to be adjudicating. It is not a matter of black and white, good guys and bad guys. If India does not like the guy and wants him charged with terrorism, she needs to go through Canadian courts.

The primary victims and perpetrators of the Khalistani movement in Punjab were fellow Sikhs. The vast majority of Sikhs were killed by Khalistanis during the years of terror.

> the murder of muslims in India in general?

Your accusations do not pan out in any statistics. India is a safer place for Shia Muslims than any non-Iran country in the middle east. India is the only country where Ahmediyyas are not prosecuted.

There is no 'murder of muslims in India in general'. India has communal tensions just as every heterogenous country has communal tensions. But other than uncontrollable riots where both sides are usually injured, Muslims are treated fairly in the Indian system. If anything, India practices affirmative action towards Muslims, allows islamic schools (madaras) and gives them fully independent management rights of all islamic institutions. None of these allowances are extended to the majority population.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by paragraft »

ta8645 wrote: post #66
eynsham wrote: post #57

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Indian nationalist circles close to the government have been claiming credit on behalf of RAW for some time (e.g., https://tfipost.com/2023/06/raw-will-never-confirm-but-harde... ).

Even that article you cite stops short of saying that RAW was definitely the perpetrator. There are occasionally people who opportunistically claim credit for crimes they didn't commit, when it suits their politics. And even if it was someone in RAW, being "close to the government", does not necessarily mean it was ordered by that government. None of us have enough information to say for sure at this point. Yet peopl…

> The Prime Minister of Canada just did a state visit to India, where he was not warmly received, and made to look foolish on the world stage.

Have you considered the possibility that the reason he got a cold reception was he brought the accusation he just made publicly? Would put the issue with the plane in a whole new light too...

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ulchar »

mabbo wrote: post #207
ulchar wrote: post #202

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Look up Omar Khadr [1]. If the United States couldn't get an extradition for that kid, could India get one for Nijjar? I doubt it. Not saying as justification for the alleged actions of the Indian government, not in the slightest. I only suggest that Canada wouldn't necessarily co-operate eagerly. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr#

Really, Khadr? The guy was brainwashed as a child by his lunatic father and dragged to Afghanistan to resist American's invasion. There was some kind of firefight, he nearly died, and the Americans decided that since he survived he was guilty of all the crimes. He was 15. A kid. A child soldier, by international law. He was held for a decade in Guantanamo Bay, a US military facility, without any real trial. The US al…

Never said that Khadr should've been extradited, he shouldn't have at all and I support the Canadian government decision. But the claims of the Indian government against Nijjar are also dubious which points to the likelihood that any diplomatic transfer was a non-starter.

Of course, the difference here was that the USA attempted a diplomatic process and did not execute a citizen on Canadian soil.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Zak »

kelnos wrote: post #206
Zak wrote: post #34

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Do they have options to enforce that other than blocking access to the service in question?

I think the option you mention is quite potent. "Either have employees in-country so we can intimidate them so you'll do what we want, or we block your service." Sounds pretty effective? Sure, some people will get around the blocks, but it'll be a relatively small percentage (especially if the government makes circumventing these blocks illegal, most people won't find it worth any risk to do it anyway), and your serv…

Blocking something that's very popular could backfire, and I believe Facebook is very popular in India.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dirtyid wrote: post #154
pedrosorio wrote: post #135

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Replace Western with Russian and foreign with American and you have Snowden. The asymmetry you imply does not exist.

And Pompeo wanted to whack snowden. The asymmetry is west shelters much more foreign dissidents/criminals, and has more opportunities to weaponize them for foreign policy. Frequently it's deliberate, sometimes it's just happenstance of high immigration. But ultimately, west won't be able to stay clean of diasphora foreign policy drama, especially ones they actively cultivate or fail to suppress. Old legal excuse of,…

> Pompeo wanted to whack snowden

There wouldn’t be an issue if New Delhi had stuck to wanting to whack a Canadian.

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

blululu wrote: post #143
barkingcat wrote: post #102

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There's a ton of precedence of American companies applying American laws universally across the world (regardless of whether it's applicable by jurisdiction) in IP cases, in trade issues, etc. many times it's easiest to just have 1 set of rules across the planet, so companies end up with following the lowest common denominator of legal actions and policies. (even if these policies are illegal in other jurisdictions.…

There are two differences: First, American law does not apply globally and makes no demands to apply globally. If companies do so it is a matter of convenience and not policy. While companies may petition the US government to apply pressure on allied countries to influence policy there is no presumption that American law will apply in a foreign country outside of what is circumscribed by treaties. Second there is the…

Try explaining that to Julian Assange, who has never stepped foot in America.

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Post by kasey_junk »

__loam wrote: post #184
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

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> suppression of separatists If true, this was a stupid move. They’ve martyred a separatist while bringing him and his cause international sympathy and attention. The assassins have carried out an action resembling an attack on a founding member of NATO and close ally of America’s. In North America. This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected. Not out of fear, but rational self interest. If true, New Delhi’…

> This is a line even the Soviets The Soviets regularly murdered dissidents from the Soviet Union in western countries. That's like half the reason the KGB existed. You can read about it in The Sword and the Shield by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, a book directly referencing KGB archives.

The Sword and the Shield is _great_. It's been a long time since I read it but I don't remember it outlining murdering western citizens who were just dissidents. I do remember a few plots to kill KGB defectors. The more interesting part of that book about assassinations were how many foreign leaders (including nominal allies) they contemplated killing and how close they got to some of them.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by dbsights »

fzil wrote: post #210
inSenCite wrote: post #179

Trudeau obviously grasping at the chance of winning over some Sikh votes. Whether the allegations are credible or not is irrelevant to him, and likely will not be found out until after elections anyway. On the other hand, Facebook is much more likely to err on the side of India given the much larger population and associated $ potential and THE BILL. Canada is not exactly an espionage expert relative to places like I…

Sikhs make up <2% of Canada. Even less when you account for that fact that not all of them are of age to vote. Do you really think a PM of Canada would throw away relationship with a potentially large trading partner for a few thousand votes?

Are you Canadian? Even asking the question feels ridiculous: yes, absolutely.

He shredded the Charter to fabricate a wedge (interior vaccine passports, firing civil servants) to win a few votes in the last election. This is absolutely in character.. good governance means nothing to Trudeau compared to being re-elected.

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Post by mistrial9 »

shkkmo wrote: post #93
mistrial9 wrote: post #56

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> "khalistani" (mind you, not Sikhs) thank you .. also I have seen ill-informed US people accosting young Sikhs with accusations and harassment on the street in daylight .. Sikhs identified by their formal dress

While I understand that "Khalistani" have significant doctrinal differences from "traditional Sikhs", it seems like claim the Khalistani are not Sikhs is like claiming that Mormons aren't Christians. It is a prejudice based exclusion of a group in contradiction of the groups own identity. I think explaining the differences between groups is totally worth wile, but denying the label seem like prejudice to me. I rather…

> claim the Khalistani are not Sikhs

you misunderstand - I did not say that.

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