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We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by jrockway »

fortran77 wrote: post #211
i_love_cookies wrote: post #173

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Yes, it's actually made phone theft even worse as a victim. instead of running with the device muggers are demanding pin's and passcodes at gun/knife point it's resulted in a few deaths in chicago at least

See this story: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/patrons-nyc-gay-bar...

This thread transformed from "multiple dead people in Chicago" to "5 people in NYC's banks are out $5000".

Overall I think it's pretty safe to pull out your smartphone in public these days, which was not the case years ago.

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Post by dylan604 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #220
fortran77 wrote: post #211

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See this story: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/patrons-nyc-gay-bar...

Hence why you should not use bank/brokerage websites or apps on phone other than maybe a checking account with a small amount of money in it.

for paypal, i only ever use a login through the website on the rare occasions i have to use it. for other apps like cashapp/venmo, do they even have a non-app method of using them?

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Post by riscy »

kmeisthax wrote: post #204
audunw wrote: post #146

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> they would just start selling the damn parts so people could repair their phones. They do. Have you been living under a rock? https://www.selfservicerepair.com/en-US/home And there’s no way for Apples policy to fuel theft when the stolen phone and parts from that phone can’t be used for anything. You might have had a point a few years ago when they neither sold parts nor did the pairing stuff. I think they’re movin…

The problem with SSR is that they give you the shit AASPs/Genius Bar gets, which is finished assemblies designed to be swapped out by low-skill workers for minimum wage. This dramatically increases the price of the repair because you're now swapping out a large number of components instead of just one. Louis Rossmann used to beat Apple on the price of repair specifically by desoldering individual chips and swapping t…

> they give you the shit AASPs/Genius Bar gets, which is finished assemblies designed to be swapped out by low-skill workers for minimum wage

> all just so happen to result in a really shitty repair experience

You're saying getting genuine parts and instructions directly from Apple that are simple for a low-skill person to install is a shitty repair experience?

All this uproar is about is needing to contact Apple for them to link the part to my phone. How is that a shitty experience?

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Post by codetrotter »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #157
nemothekid wrote: post #144

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> If this helped protect against theft, then why did they steal the phone anyway? They are plenty of stories on Reddit and TikTok where the stolen phone ends up in China, and then the owner is phished into disabling iCloud so that the phone could be wiped. If not the sold is phone for parts. To me the very fact that you need an entire phishing ring to make stealing iPhones profitable means that there is some cost tha…

How do the thieves get the contact details of the person whose phone they stole to fish them? And why did they steal the iPhone I mentioned without having the contact details of the person?

> How do the thieves get the contact details of the person whose phone they stole to fish them?

If the phone is set to display notifications when locked, you can see the usernames of friends of theirs in notifications on the screen.

I found a locked iPhone on the ferry one time and saw Snapchat notifications from their friends on the lockscreen. I sent a message request to one of the users on the notifications, and told them that I found the phone on the boat and that the owner of the phone should contact the ferry company to retrieve the phone as I would hand it over to the crew of the ferry.

Similarly, if your goal was to be a thief instead of being helpful you might keep an eye on the Instagram notifications of the phone, and then cross-reference friends of those people to figure out who owns the phone.

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Post by dylan604 »

w0m wrote: post #103
picture wrote: post #35

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> How does that not completely bypass any of the reasons for wanting to do this? Do it from your iCloud account. Presumably thieves will not hold you at gun point to log in to iCloud and allow pairing of your phone's components to a ready recipient iPhone

This. If Apple was honest, they'd have an 'unlock from account' security, not an 'accept new to account' pairing.

but you'd have to make it to not be something to be done from an iDevice. it would have to be through the website. otherwise, how do you know it's not a still a malicious approval?

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Post by codetrotter »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #238
nemothekid wrote: post #235

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1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen). 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number.

> 1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen). Yet the father was the one being fished. > 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card How? > 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number. Losing it is not the same as having it stolen, though.

> Losing it is not the same as having it stolen, though.

Your phone could disappear and you would assume it fell out of your pocket or that you left it somewhere, when in fact someone could have stolen it from you while you were not paying attention.

And besides, most people probably don’t expect that a thief would respond and trick them into unlocking the phone for them. Instead the expectation might be that a thief would not respond, and that if someone responded they are a good samaritan trying to help you.

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Post by Bud »

shortcake27 wrote: post #86
ejstronge wrote: post #60

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> (If anyone at Apple is reading this: ffs, allow the legitimate owner of a device to "unpair" all components in their phone in iCloud so that legitimate second-hand shops can strip a broken device at least for its parts) I was robbed at gunpoint (but not in a 'problematic' part of town) and the thief outlined all the steps he needed me to take to remove my phone from Find My and from iCloud. I think a lot of these m…

I’m sorry that happened to you. IMHO this is a huge problem. A thief just wants to steal your phone. To ensure the value of the device, it’s now common to force you to provide your passcode. This gives access to all your data, can be used to reset your Apple ID password, lock you out of your account, and erase and lock all your other devices. This problem never existed before, and it’s significantly worse! Like, way…

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Post by baq »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #229
musictubes wrote: post #215

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https://www.imore.com/iphone-theft-drops-40-san-francisco-25... Activation lock made a huge difference. The next step to talking profits out of stolen iPhones is to make harvesting parts difficult. I absolutely give Apple the benefit of the doubt when it comes to I this. Back in the bad old days iPhone theft was incredibly common and that has come down a lot over the years.

> The next step to talking profits out of stolen iPhones is to make harvesting parts difficult. I would 100% buy this if you showed me data that indicates that part harvesting is behind most of the remaining theft of iPhones, which it very well may be, but if we have the data we would not have to guess.

I’m buying this right now, this is how a lot of car theft works also - parts are a good source of cash.

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Post by jwells89 »

shortcake27 wrote: post #86
ejstronge wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (If anyone at Apple is reading this: ffs, allow the legitimate owner of a device to "unpair" all components in their phone in iCloud so that legitimate second-hand shops can strip a broken device at least for its parts) I was robbed at gunpoint (but not in a 'problematic' part of town) and the thief outlined all the steps he needed me to take to remove my phone from Find My and from iCloud. I think a lot of these m…

I’m sorry that happened to you. IMHO this is a huge problem. A thief just wants to steal your phone. To ensure the value of the device, it’s now common to force you to provide your passcode. This gives access to all your data, can be used to reset your Apple ID password, lock you out of your account, and erase and lock all your other devices. This problem never existed before, and it’s significantly worse! Like, way…

> And this problem only exists because Apple locks down the device and all parts.

It would likely be a problem even without the lockdowns and official parts flowing freely, because even if Apple is selling the parts with zero margin, black market and gray market parts supplied from stolen devices are still going to be cheaper, which means there will still be a demand for them from unscrupulous repair shops that use cheap parts of questionable origin to gain an upper leg on shops playing by the rules. There will also always be individuals doing DIY repairs who won’t care where parts come from so long as they’re cheap.

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