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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham »

eureka-belief wrote: post #2

India’s government is apparently confidently enough in India’s global influence to be putting pressure on Canada and Facebook. Just thinking out loud, if some parts of India started breaking away from India, that could start a chain reaction. India has incredibly diverse sets of citizens, each with their own set of cultural identities and historical grievances. Maintaining national unity has been a struggle since Ind…

> necessity[sic] evil

The Khalistani movement is pretty weak, and as Pakistan shows, repression is counterproductive in that it is makes ethnic identity more salient not less. (At least in the Kashmiri case there is already a substantial terrorist movement that can’t be ignored; the Khalistan movement is a joke and certainly can be. Turnout in the last Assembly elections was ⩾70 per cent.) Even the Akali Dal was in alliance with the BJP. (See e.g. Jaffrelot's The Pakistan Paradox for an account of the radicalisation of Bengali, Muhajir, and Sindhi nationalists, inter alios.)

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

Method-X wrote: post #127
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

The word for it is "extrajudicial killing."

That's not a word.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by blululu »

barkingcat wrote: post #102
darth_avocado wrote: post #16

Politics aside, this feels like a good policy question? How do laws apply in the context of a global platform like Facebook. Something may be in violation of a law in one country, but be totally acceptable in another. Should sovereign citizens on one country be subjected to laws of another? If Twitter files showed us anything, posts get taken down at the request of the government (including US and Canada).

There's a ton of precedence of American companies applying American laws universally across the world (regardless of whether it's applicable by jurisdiction) in IP cases, in trade issues, etc. many times it's easiest to just have 1 set of rules across the planet, so companies end up with following the lowest common denominator of legal actions and policies. (even if these policies are illegal in other jurisdictions.…

There are two differences: First, American law does not apply globally and makes no demands to apply globally. If companies do so it is a matter of convenience and not policy. While companies may petition the US government to apply pressure on allied countries to influence policy there is no presumption that American law will apply in a foreign country outside of what is circumscribed by treaties. Second there is the matter of positive vs negative laws. American law doesn’t prohibit much by way of publishing or collecting information in public spaces. Applying American laws globally results lack of a compliance in countries with stricter laws. The law in question actually prohibits something. What results is actually a greatest common denominator of law.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by nradov »

dirtyid wrote: post #126
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

Western citizenship being inviolable golden passports for sheltering/weaponizing dissidents of foreign states is not going to be sustainable forever. The west providing sanctuary for enemies of other states is going to end when other states possess power/leverage to do something about it.

When will other states possess the power to do something about it? India doesn't have an expeditionary military, nor are they capable of building one in the next few decades. They can barely manage to defend their homeland and territorial waters.

What's more likely are additional restrictions on international trade and immigration. The great experiment with globalism appears to be winding down and powerful countries are decoupling their economies from each other.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ta8645 »

eynsham wrote: post #123
ta8645 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that article you cite stops short of saying that RAW was definitely the perpetrator. There are occasionally people who opportunistically claim credit for crimes they didn't commit, when it suits their politics. And even if it was someone in RAW, being "close to the government", does not necessarily mean it was ordered by that government. None of us have enough information to say for sure at this point. Yet peopl…

> none of us have enough information to say for sure at this point Well, I agree; in these matters there is rarely definitive proof until the archives are opened. Given the implicit epistemic standards governing such assertions, I think this particular assertion is fine; there is a pretty good argument for it. Those standards vary by context, and sentences of the form 'intelligence agencies did blah' have relatively…

> I can equally make an argument that the relatively muted reaction of the Indophile UK government suggests that there is something to these reports:

We can try to read the tea-leaves, but we don't know for sure.

I'm not saying it's wrong, i'm saying people should stop being so emphatically absolute in their belief that they know the truth. It's a corrosive sickness that permeates much public discourse these days.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by givemeethekeys »

eynsham wrote: post #132
givemeethekeys wrote: post #118

Trudeau has has been having a terrible time with India. How fortuitous then, that a man, wanted as a terrorist in India who also happens to be Canadian citizen ends up dead, soon after these mishaps: - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-10/trudeau-i... - https://www.fijitimes.com/modi-scolds-trudeau-over-sikh-prot... With some luck, the people of Canada will completely forget what a tool Trudeau has been…

It's a bit naïve to think that the Canadian public will respond to this in the same way that the Indian nationalist press respond to 56 inches' chest-thumping. People can vote Poilievre and oppose extrajudicial assassinations by foreign intelligence agencies.

Here's what naive means: Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially. Simple and guileless; artless. Unsuspecting or credulous.

I assure you that the Canadian public is fully capable of responding to this in a far more favorable way than almost any press, including the "Indian nationalist" press.

As an example, they keep voting Trudeau back into office.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by yumraj »

thorncorona wrote: post #86
ta8645 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that article you cite stops short of saying that RAW was definitely the perpetrator. There are occasionally people who opportunistically claim credit for crimes they didn't commit, when it suits their politics. And even if it was someone in RAW, being "close to the government", does not necessarily mean it was ordered by that government. None of us have enough information to say for sure at this point. Yet peopl…

> The Prime Minister of Canada just did a state visit to India, where he was not warmly received, and made to look foolish on the world stage. So, he has his own political calculations in this affair, and is far from an objective arbiter of truth. This is a very bold claim.

> This is a very bold claim.

So is blaming this killing on India. No evidence has been presented.

This was probably nothing but gang rivalry.

Indo-Canadian organized crime or Punjabi-Canadian organized crime is made up predominantly of young adults and teenagers of Punjabi ethnic, cultural and linguistic background, typically ethnic Jatt’s. [0]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Canadian_organized_crim...

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by TheRealPomax »

chaostheory wrote: post #104
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

So Facebook still allows posts of news articles in Canada post C-18? I’m not very familiar with the subject hence the question

It didn't say news article shares were getting removed, individual users' posts in which they talk about current events are being removed.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #146
eynsham wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit naïve to think that the Canadian public will respond to this in the same way that the Indian nationalist press respond to 56 inches' chest-thumping. People can vote Poilievre and oppose extrajudicial assassinations by foreign intelligence agencies.

Here's what naive means: Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially. Simple and guileless; artless. Unsuspecting or credulous. I assure you that the Canadian public is fully capable of responding to this in a far more favorable way than almost any press, including the "Indian nationalist" press. As an example, they keep voting Trudeau back into office.

> in the same way

Again, whatever their many faults, Canadians are capable of opposing extrajudicial assassinations and voting Poilievre (or Singh). Meanwhile, the Indian press lap up 56 inches' supposedly patriotic nonsense whilst he cedes land to the PRC.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by VancouverMan »

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

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