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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by rajup »

Sanzig wrote: post #44
tenpies wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also importantly: Trudeau has yet to show evidence. This could easily be misinformation and disinformation. Trudeau is notorious for lying, dividing people, and "interpreting differently" things, especially when all the attention is on his crumbling regime and mismanagement of virtually everything in Canada. And it should raise everyone's flags that Trudeau, who has done everything possible to obstruct and derail the…

The evidence is certainly classified and disclosure of details would probably result in unacceptable risk to Canadian and/or other Five Eyes intelligence assets. This is not a court of law, the Canadian government is not obliged to give up the identities of its sources. Trudeau briefed the leaders of the opposition ahead of the announcement and they are all offering a united front on this. That's enough for me to inf…

> The evidence is certainly classified and disclosure of details would probably result in unacceptable risk to Canadian and/or other Five Eyes intelligence assets.

How convenient!

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by mikeyouse »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #88
kmeisthax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't C-18, this is way worse. The context is that there's a Canadian Sikh who has been calling for parts of India to secede from India. In response, India had him assassinated. India has laws on the books that allow them to remove content globally for things that violate Indian law. They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostag…

> They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostage Are you suggesting that India requires Facebook to employ people who reside in India in order to operate in India, and that they use those employees as hostages in order to coerce Facebook to succumb to their demands even when when those demands concern communication between non-Indian…

Musk obliquely referred to it when the last Indian censorship controversy came up;

https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-sa...

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by shkkmo »

mistrial9 wrote: post #56
n_t wrote: post #39

Since this will soon become heated and full of misinformation, here are some details- 1. PM Trudeau called emergency session over "credible" allegations but no actual evidence. The leader of opposition has also called out lack of evidence. 2. Canada expelled a key Indian diplomat but not nothing more - basically diplomatese - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/18/americas/canada-hardeep-s... 3. India issued statement ca…

> "khalistani" (mind you, not Sikhs) thank you .. also I have seen ill-informed US people accosting young Sikhs with accusations and harassment on the street in daylight .. Sikhs identified by their formal dress

While I understand that "Khalistani" have significant doctrinal differences from "traditional Sikhs", it seems like claim the Khalistani are not Sikhs is like claiming that Mormons aren't Christians. It is a prejudice based exclusion of a group in contradiction of the groups own identity.

I think explaining the differences between groups is totally worth wile, but denying the label seem like prejudice to me.

I rather doubt that Sikhs have been accosted in the US based on being confused with Khalistanis, as few americans have ever heard of Khalistanis. The attacks I heard about all had to do with ignorant Americans not knowing the difference between Sikhs and Muslims.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by jessepasley »

ipnon wrote: post #83
rajup wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was involved in other similar activities though.

A man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.

Where does Canada stand with regards for her southern neighbor and his proclivity for extrajudicial killings and violations of sovereignty in the name fighting a War on Terror?

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by jpambrun »

eYsYs wrote: post #67
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah? What's the word for accusing someone for murdering without an iota of proof?

The prime minister put his credibility that of the government on the line. They obviously have evidence and are convinced of this being factual as the price to pay for being wrong will be very steep.

By the way, the word you are looking for would be the same for someone accusing of lying or deception without an iota of proof.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by HideousKojima »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #90
jpambrun wrote: post #49

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Facebook is not playing a smart game either. The government is already and understandably furious at India for this encroachment to sovereignty (the murder of a Canadian in Canada by a foreign state), it was also already not happy at Facebook for their previous encroachment to sovereignty (the blocking of Canadian news), and now it has more reason to be mad at Facebook for this latest encroachment to sovereignty of a…

Actually, Facebook is playing it smart. Canada has less than 40 million total people. If Facebook completely exited Canada and banned all Canadians from Facebook, it wouldn’t be all that big of a deal. India on the other hand has over a billion people. If you have to choose to piss off a government, Canada is a much better choice than India.

Number of potential users isn't the only issue though. Canada's GDP is ~66% of India's, despite the massive population difference. The potential revenue per user from Canada is far higher than from India.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by epgui »

ipnon wrote: post #83
rajup wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was involved in other similar activities though.

A man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.

Agreed with everything except for this wording:

> The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereignty as alleged.

I would have said instead: "The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government is alleged to have interfered with its sovereignty."

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by shkkmo »

slashdev wrote: post #50
antx wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False equivalency fallacy. You are assuming an extreme position that nobody expressed.

Perhaps, which is why I phrased it as a question.

Phrasing something as a question doesn't make it a question. Re-read your comment and I think you'll see how it does not seem like an honest inquiry, but a rhetorical tactic.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ta8645 »

thorncorona wrote: post #86
ta8645 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that article you cite stops short of saying that RAW was definitely the perpetrator. There are occasionally people who opportunistically claim credit for crimes they didn't commit, when it suits their politics. And even if it was someone in RAW, being "close to the government", does not necessarily mean it was ordered by that government. None of us have enough information to say for sure at this point. Yet peopl…

> The Prime Minister of Canada just did a state visit to India, where he was not warmly received, and made to look foolish on the world stage. So, he has his own political calculations in this affair, and is far from an objective arbiter of truth. This is a very bold claim.

> This is a very bold claim.

I don't think so.

The state visit, and the bad PR it brought to the Canadian PM is well-reported publically. And the idea that a PM makes political calculations, which don't hold truth as more important than all other factors, wouldn't be controversial to most political observers.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by foota »

thuridas wrote: post #13
shrikant wrote: post #8

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> This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected. Well, Russia is pretty fine with carrying out extra-judicial assassination attempts of undesirables on UK soil, so it's not clear this line is true any more.

And Russia is paying for it in weapons from UK to Ukraine. Also remember the killing in Turk soil by Saudi Arabia

Somehow this connection never crossed my mind between the UKs gun-hoeness and the assassination.
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