We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends • Hacker News Board

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by alexb_ » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:30 PM UTC

jtbayly wrote: post #101

alexb_ wrote: post #5

I don't know why people are focusing on what men will do with AI girlfriends - the actual question is what women will do with AI boyfriends. On every single AI chat app like character.ai the majority of users are women, and the most popular characters are men. Women are people who read romance novels and are even more attracted by the "emotional validation". > Now we’re facing a future where guys could get addicted t…

I'm interested in this claim that women are majority users. Sources?

Source is anecdotal from all of the social media posts I have seen relating to character.ai, as well as the most popular bots on other sites.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by hotnfresh » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:32 PM UTC

cglong wrote: post #24

te_chris wrote: post #12

As a new parent, handling all this is terrifying. I do try and remind myself that we had games and grainy 56k porn far too young and turned out ok, but there was no instagram, and certainly no submissive A.I. avatars. It’s not like this has to go badly, it could allow people an avenue of expression and development currently denied. But it’s not like teenage boys conditioned to abundant free porn has gone particularly…

> I do try and remind myself that we had games and grainy 56k porn far too young and turned out ok, but there was no instagram, and certainly no submissive A.I. avatars. Someone commented here the other day about how going online used to be a distinct activity; that once you disconnected, you were again alone and offline. I think that physical distinction helped create a mental one as well when we were young.

More than that, going online used to mean physically going to a place. Where the computer with an internet connection was. Wi-Fi blurred the lines a little, but sucked so bad (at the time—and kinda still) that it didn’t really change things.

What totally shifted humanity’s relationship with the Internet was the smartphone. It put the Internet everywhere. Disconnected it all but completely from physical space (barring certain remote areas—but for the most part, where most people live and travel 99+% of the time, it did). You don’t have to go to the Internet now, in the real world; it just follows you everywhere.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by hotnfresh » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:38 PM UTC

at_a_remove wrote: post #20

I can always depend on these kinds of articles for the sin of omission. Unrealistic standards for women ... nevermind the standards women have for men. Pre-web, I worked at a dating service. I've mentioned this before here. Women rated their preferences as having a higher importance than men did, over and over again, and on the most depressingly stereotyped vectors: money and height. Then you have your deleted OKCupi…

What’s deeply weird to me is I see these stats, I see incels complaining about this… but then every time I go to the gas station or grocery store there are plenty of poorly-dressed guys with beer guts and nothing special going on in the face department, with reasonably- or even quite-attractive women.

Like, there’s probably more going on in some cases than meets the eye, but that can’t explain most of them. There are too many.

Instead, it looks like having some traditionally-masculine interests and skills and having your shit together enough to afford payments on a mid-tier pickup truck is kinda all it takes.

Is it a matter of geography and culture? This is a red state, on the boundary of a rural-urban divide. Maybe that’s the difference? But I hear about what people experience on the Internet, then look around when I go outside, and damn, it sure doesn’t look true.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by 0xbadc0de5 » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:39 PM UTC

I find it oddly hypocritical when women fret about men having access to "sexbots" when they've discretely been using and improving their own "personal massagers" for decades.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by autoexec » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:39 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #118

People seek affirmation, wouldn't having a character to offer support, like an avatar extension of your own self-affirmation, be a potentially beneficial thing? I think I'd quite like a few more attaboys maybe some encouraging texts? Maybe I'd be more in the market for an 'AI friend'. Can't trying to please a bot teach you about pleasing, or just getting on with, real people? "I love it when you belch cheeto dust, th…

There's a lot of really cool and beneficial uses for this technology. It could be tremendously helpful for a lot of men and women. We aren't really going to get any of that though, because it's controlled by people who want to manipulate and exploit us in any and every way that they can for profit.

Maybe when our tech is good enough for AI like this to be run entirely locally and privately we'll see some real good come from it without the harms.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by matheusmoreira » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:40 PM UTC

Supply5411 wrote: post #47

If you feel an existential crisis now, just wait until the artificial wombs. Replacing man's reliance on woman is where technology is heading.

Yeah. I hope I'm alive to see that day. It's gonna be interesting to say the least. There will be lots of articles just like this one.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by satisfice » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:41 PM UTC

Only men can fix men.

But if women want to help, they will need to be respectful and caring and devoted and deferential and other things that feminism frowns upon.

It looks to me that men and women are going in different directions. And unless that changes there will be a substantial demographic meltdown within the next two generations.

In many species, what brings the sexes together is only necessity and coercion. Take that away and the species would disappear. Maybe humans are headed that way.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by autoexec » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

tonymet wrote: post #40

We encouraged women to stop depending on men for security (financial, physical), but now we’re shaming men for trying to reduce their dependency on women (sexual , emotional) Id argue that the mutual dependency was a good thing. But why shame one and not the other ?

I can't say that I'm pro-dependency, but there's a double standard for sure.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by matheusmoreira » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:45 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #129

Supply5411 wrote: post #47

If you feel an existential crisis now, just wait until the artificial wombs. Replacing man's reliance on woman is where technology is heading.

Do men want to be single parents? I'd imagine they mostly want a 'wife' who will be a mother too; I'd hate to raise a child without a mother (I was a part-time SAHD, fwiw).

Of course we do. Thing is these days women seem to think being a wife and mother is beneath them.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by greenyoda » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:47 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #78

c0brac0bra wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming those are your only two criteria, that narrows the population to 2.5%. If you throw age and relative health then all bets are off.

Tangent: where'd you get that number? Not questioning it, I'd just love to know if there's a tool that makes it easy to get intersections with that kind of data.

Here's some data I found with a quick web search...

Income Percentile Calculator for the US: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/

Height Percentile Calculator for Men and Women in the US: https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-w...