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We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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post #82

The average Apple fanboy's ability to rationalize every single anti-consumer decision made by Apple is impressive. Literally all Apple has to do is say "it's for your own safety!" and they will defend it to the death.

Your ability to classify everyone who doesn't agree with you as an "Apple fanboy" is equally amazing to me.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#162
post #76

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There have been recent stories about how thieves were looking at people entering their passcodes into their phones, snatching the phone when it was unlocked and using the pin to disable iCloud/Find My.

...You can't use the device PIN to disable iCloud. You have to put in the iCloud password. And you really do have to put it in; even if the iPhone is unlocked, security features like that always require the password.

This is exactly how it works. If a thief knows the passcode (be it numerical or more complex), he can change your iCloud Account password without knowing the current password and disable Find My without.

Apple acknowledges this and seem to be ok with it [1].

[https://www.macrumors.com/2023/04/19/apple-responds-to-iphon...]

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#163
post #75

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I have never been murdered, and none of my friends have been either, so I don't believe that actions to stop murder are necessary. (We _do_ need laws to allow customers that can prove their purchase to unlock their parts though.)

Let's lock you up in your house, it will ensure that you are safe

That's not what this is and you know it. The equivalent would imagining a fictional world where we could say just raise the dead or Borderland's style instantly print you a new body at the phone-booth down the street. In that world there's no point to murdering you, they get no benefit it's only an inconvenience to the person being murdered.

In that world you need very little actual protection against murder because there's no incentive to do it. That's the current state of iPhones, you don't need to lock them up, use those chest pickpocket proof bags, or strap them to your wrist because no one wants to steal them.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#164

There is also another issue why Apple is restricting "part harvesting": theft. iCloud locks or Samsung's KNOX lock entered the field because the manufacturers were pretty pissed that customers using their devices in public became a target for "enterprising" robbers who'd factory-wipe the devices and flip them to a pawn shop or second-hand store in a matter of half an hour. When people are afraid to use your products…

They can already "unpair" the phone by removing it from iCloud, as you say. The phone could simply check whether the serial number on a part is already associated with an iCloud registered device and if not, allow it to pair. Fairly obviously, they don't do this because it would reduce the demand for their parts, which is a multibillion dollar business.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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> I get the iFixit point as well but if I have a 1500€ phone, I don't want to think about it being stolen, when I am on vacation, because someone needs some parts (oh the human trafficing/organ harvesting similarity...) Do you think thieves are that descending? I know someone whos iPhone 14 was stolen in London. If this helped protect against theft, then why did they steal the phone anyway?

> If this helped protect against theft, then why did they steal the phone anyway? They are plenty of stories on Reddit and TikTok where the stolen phone ends up in China, and then the owner is phished into disabling iCloud so that the phone could be wiped. If not the sold is phone for parts. To me the very fact that you need an entire phishing ring to make stealing iPhones profitable means that there is some cost tha…

You can tell the theft thing is an excuse from Apple because they don't do things like allowing you to unlock parts you own, or even buy genuine new parts that definitely stolen without silly restrictions like needing to put in a serial number first and then contact Apple to pair it (this is probably done to make it almost useless for repair shops because they want to push their even more restrictive "independent" repair program)

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#166
I completely fail to understand the anti-theft argument, help me out here.

So the theory is that, once thieves will see you're carrying an Iphone, they won't bother taking it. But why? You're already being mugged, everything that's even remotely valuable will be taken. Why would they let their victims go, just because their valuables are more difficult to flip? "Give me all your valuables - oh wait, that's an iphone, nvm my bad you're free to go" is that the idea here?

And on being less of a target for getting robbed in the first place - you're carrying an expensive af iphone, chances are you can afford to carry a lot of other expensive valuables too. If you're worried about getting robbed, start with not carrying a device that's more expensive than a fridge.

My condolences to everyone who actually had to survive through a robbery. But I doubt it could've been avoided just because your Iphone was currently difficult to sell. People can get robbed regardless of their perceived wealth, it's a happen-stance crime.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#167
post #124

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What is the relative rates of occurrence of phone theft vs. phones breaking in a way that requires repair? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that far far far more people have a phone that needs to be repaired than have a phone that gets stolen. So making repair worse to make theft "better" seems like a bad tradeoff to me. And that's even presuming that this stated goal actually works. I would expect that a very n…

Personal anecdote: times I’ve had a phone need a repair besides a screen: zero Times I’ve been mugged and had my phone taken: one

Why do screens not count?

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#168

There is also another issue why Apple is restricting "part harvesting": theft. iCloud locks or Samsung's KNOX lock entered the field because the manufacturers were pretty pissed that customers using their devices in public became a target for "enterprising" robbers who'd factory-wipe the devices and flip them to a pawn shop or second-hand store in a matter of half an hour. When people are afraid to use your products…

I don't know why iFixit doesn't even touch on that point. I live in Barcelona and phones are being pickpocketed every day here. Not being able to wipe or unlock or else is a mayor deterrent for the pickpockets, because noone will take the phone off of them, so it's not worth it. Phones are still being stolen but imagine if they could sell to a global market of repair shops. You couldn't go to any tourist location wit…

If they are being stolen it doesn't work.

If the whole part won't be used it will be stripped to components and resold to the same repair shops anyway. Yeah the profit margins will be smaller per phone but they will just steal more.

Apple doesn't want phones fixed because Apple wants to sell more phones, plain and simple. There is no other incentive.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#169

There is also another issue why Apple is restricting "part harvesting": theft. iCloud locks or Samsung's KNOX lock entered the field because the manufacturers were pretty pissed that customers using their devices in public became a target for "enterprising" robbers who'd factory-wipe the devices and flip them to a pawn shop or second-hand store in a matter of half an hour. When people are afraid to use your products…

> (If anyone at Apple is reading this: ffs, allow the legitimate owner of a device to "unpair" all components in their phone in iCloud so that legitimate second-hand shops can strip a broken device at least for its parts) I was robbed at gunpoint (but not in a 'problematic' part of town) and the thief outlined all the steps he needed me to take to remove my phone from Find My and from iCloud. I think a lot of these m…

Apple should have a duress system. You have say 48 hours to contact Apple and tell them the change was made under duress--and you do so with the *old* credentials, not the new ones. All changes to your account revert and the phone locks itself to your account once it sees the network.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

#170
post #161
post #82

The average Apple fanboy's ability to rationalize every single anti-consumer decision made by Apple is impressive. Literally all Apple has to do is say "it's for your own safety!" and they will defend it to the death.

Your ability to classify everyone who doesn't agree with you as an "Apple fanboy" is equally amazing to me.

What else would you call someone who doesn't care about repairability in the slightest because they're just going to buy whatever new version of their favorite brand's product comes out next year for full price regardless of how similar it is, if not a fanboy?
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