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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Satire and commentary is covered under Fair Use.

>100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized. Doesn’t sound like satire or commentary to me

Clips of public figures saying things are fair use, period.

How do you think any news media functions?

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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The swiftness of Youtube's action makes my head spin. /s

Brand was kicked off the BBC fifteen years ago, for his disgraceful on-air abuse of Andrew Sachs ("Manuel" from Fawlty) and his daughter. Since then, he's only become more extreme and objectionable.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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> they have an obligation to treat video creators with a greater degree of fairness and formal process There isn't really a way to enforce this that doesn't violate a private company's rights. Protected classes are the closest thing, but I think you'll have a tough time getting "person accused of being a jerk" to be declared a protected class. > perhaps they are simply too big and should be broken up This, however, t…

> There isn't really a way to enforce this that doesn't violate a private company's rights. Should a private company have those rights? We meed corporate reform in America.

Should the people who work at & run companies have freedom of association? Yes, I think they should. There are narrow exceptions for things like utilities, where a monopoly is the only sane way to run the service (we can't have 12 separate gas/power/water/sewer/phone/internet lines run to every house), but that situation doesn't apply to an Internet video hosting company.

We already have a well-established mechanism for reigning in companies that are too powerful: anti-trust law. All we need to do is enforce it.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Question to anybody who works in advertisement:

Are people less likely to buy Nike apparel because for example Tiger Woods was caught with escorts and drinking booze?

I am asking because from a distance it seems not a business decision as much as an opportunity for a CEO to dunk on an athlete/famous person

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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When a channel is demonetized does that mean YouTube doesn't run ads at all on the channel's content, or do they still run ads and just don't pay out the share to the creator?

They're still hosting the videos, still running ads, but YT keeps all the money. Seems... not right and backwards to me.

Indeed. If his videos are unacceptable, YT should have taken them down. If they're acceptable, then they should give him his money.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Satire and commentary is covered under Fair Use.

>100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized. Doesn’t sound like satire or commentary to me

The comparison to the Trump clips they cut with is the commentary.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #59

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Of course the issue is that Google is not just a “private party” like you or I. It is a 190,000 person organization worth almost 2 trillion dollars. They have a huge market share for monetized video hosting. If there were 100 nearly equally sized video platforms your argument would me much more persuasive, but at YouTube’s size, to me, they have an obligation to treat video creators with a greater degree of fairness…

> they have an obligation to treat video creators with a greater degree of fairness and formal process There isn't really a way to enforce this that doesn't violate a private company's rights. Protected classes are the closest thing, but I think you'll have a tough time getting "person accused of being a jerk" to be declared a protected class. > perhaps they are simply too big and should be broken up This, however, t…

> There isn't really a way to enforce this that doesn't violate a private company's rights.

Google is a public company

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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post #71

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>100% clips of public figures with no commentary. Demonetized. Doesn’t sound like satire or commentary to me

Clips of public figures saying things are fair use, period. How do you think any news media functions?

No. As someone who works in documentaries, you absolutely have to license footage of public figures, including news footage. There’s a reason most news media shoot their own footage.

If you are commentating on it and making significant changes, then it can be fair use.

Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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If you're innocent, it's already too late.

Just like Johnny Depp and Amber Heard right? Oh wait Depp won, was awarded millions, everyone knew about it, and Amber Heard was mocked & laughed at until she faded off. Why doesn't Brand do what Depp did, if they are just making it all up?

What, are you expecting to do it, like, overnight? Depp's ordeal lasted years. I think in the end he got one million from Amber Heard, after losing maybe 50/ 80 million for movies he was removed from, plus the reputational damage, plus the psychological damage of being considered violent and abusive for years, plus having to go through two trials (one in England, at the end of which Heard's allegations were declared true), etc. Maybe Brand will do exactly what Depp did. But even if after years he turns out to be innocent, the damage- as in Depp's case- will never be undone.
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