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The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by ravenstine »

resuresu wrote: post #2

20 years of being inferior to gnutella in every way imaginable.

Yeah, downloading a 700MB movie only to discover that it's actually scat pr0n was way better than BitTorrent. /s

Also, Gnutella having search built in to it was a huge mistake. BitTorrent was a success because it allowed anyone to host their own distinct index of torrents. I'm sure that something similar could have been done with Gnutella, but its search was compromised so badly even in its heyday. It was pretty obvious that there were bad nodes that would take your search terms and dynamically return listings of fake files named after what you typed in.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by toby- »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #9
resuresu wrote: post #2

20 years of being inferior to gnutella in every way imaginable.

I have torrented but am not very familiar in this field, but I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard of gnutella. Less technical people I know have heard or used TPB and are likely never to have heard of this as well. I am curious (although I'll be googling as well) on what makes it better. As a personal preference though, if given the option, I would rather make a project that used by many reliably tha…

They may not have heard of Gnutella, the network, but they may be familiar with some of the software that supports it: LimeWire, Shareaza, BearShare, WireShare, FrostWire, iMesh, and probably others I'm forgetting.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by automatic6131 »

seanw444 wrote: post #18
automatic6131 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Proof of Space-time" Oooh, what a fancy, high-falutin word for... writing bingo tickets to your SSD. Could more accurately be called "proof of bingo card", and then it doesn't infringe on actually interesting concepts, like relativistic physics. I remember when the new of Chia caused SSD prices to spike around the time I was buying, in the speculative fever for free money. At least it crashed, causing the Chia miner…

I've always found it odd that people have such guttural reactions to cryptocurrency. It's a technology. Calm down. It's become like politics now. "Fuck Republicans, fuck conservative nonsense." is what I'd expect to hear, not getting pissed over an algorithm. Kinda brings me comedic relief.

Being on the other side of crypto's externalities (even if just for a hundred bucks or so) entitles me to this "guttural" reaction.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by mavhc »

resuresu wrote: post #2

20 years of being inferior to gnutella in every way imaginable.

AIUI gnutella is only the search feature, the actual download doesn't use the network. So you're only downloading from one person, not distributing your download in pieces from many people

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by NikolaNovak »

seanw444 wrote: post #18
automatic6131 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Proof of Space-time" Oooh, what a fancy, high-falutin word for... writing bingo tickets to your SSD. Could more accurately be called "proof of bingo card", and then it doesn't infringe on actually interesting concepts, like relativistic physics. I remember when the new of Chia caused SSD prices to spike around the time I was buying, in the speculative fever for free money. At least it crashed, causing the Chia miner…

I've always found it odd that people have such guttural reactions to cryptocurrency. It's a technology. Calm down. It's become like politics now. "Fuck Republicans, fuck conservative nonsense." is what I'd expect to hear, not getting pissed over an algorithm. Kinda brings me comedic relief.

But politics impact me and my family and the world we live in.

And some technologies do too!

So it's natural and probably good to have thoughts and perspectives and positions on politics and technologies that impact me and my family and the world we live in (rather than be apathetic).

Should we avoid polarization, and arguing by memes, absolutely!

But like perpetual motion machine and eugenics and racism and trickle down economy, there are things in life that a) We've discussed and read about sufficiently and b) We believe they impact us negatively enough that we have a fairly established position on; something would have to change quite radically to shift it.

For cryptocurrency, I find it either naive or disingenuous to call it "just a technology" or "an algorithm". Tables and B-trees and markov's chains and blockchain may be technologies. Cryptocurrencies are an implementation and usage and ideology, not an "algorithm". It's closer to a cult religion, from where I'm sitting, and I'm terrified that zealots will push it far enough that its current (flawed! Awful! Insane!) implementations become the norm and "too big to fail".

(Snarky add-on: And even for technologies... since when did any of us not have guttural reactions and strong opinions and religious wars on technologies? JavaScript, Oracle, Microsoft, Perl, Intel vs AMD, Linux vs Windows for Apple, Kubernettes, etc etc etc... guttural reactions and strong opinions are the norm, and those are not policy-changing, environment-draining, scam-filled financial schemes :)

FWIW :)

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by ramesh31 »

vuln wrote: post #6
MichaelZuo wrote: post #4

Their tenacity brings to mind that Teddy Roosevelt quote.

THE MAN IN THE ARENA It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actuall…

>Theodore Roosevelt Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" delivered at The Sorbonne Paris, France April 23, 1910

Yeah, he was also a rich guy born with a silver spoon, who never faced any actual adversity in life, and so spent his time fetishizing those who do, while LARPing as one of them in controlled environments.

Read into his whole trip through South America; it's an absolute disgrace. The attitude you illustrated above led to the death of his guide (and almost his son) and him having to be hauled out of the jungle by natives on a stretcher for weeks.

Even the charge up San Juan hill is pure mythology. The enemy position had already been cleared by the 10th cavalry, and they were waiting for Roosevelt at the top. The guy is a complete work of fiction as he is taught to school children these days.

Point being, these romantic notions of life have very little bearing on reality. Criticism is valid. And doing dumb things is indeed many times just dumb.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by ok123456 »

jiofj wrote: post #5

The future has always been DHT, but having no built-in search feature like Kademlia is a huge oversight imo. There are websites that crawl DHT and you can search using them https://btdig.com but of course it would be better to have something decentralised.

It was a product of the time. At the time you had the copyright trolls who would use the peer search function that was available on earlier p2p tools, and use that as the basis to blast out shakedown letters.

By removing search from the protocol it meant that they actually had to join the swarm. Also, this led to the creation of private trackers.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by hfuyf65 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #37
vuln wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THE MAN IN THE ARENA It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actuall…

>Theodore Roosevelt Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" delivered at The Sorbonne Paris, France April 23, 1910 Yeah, he was also a rich guy born with a silver spoon, who never faced any actual adversity in life, and so spent his time fetishizing those who do, while LARPing as one of them in controlled environments. Read into his whole trip through South America; it's an absolute disgrace. The attitude…

He almost died as well. It fits well in the quote op listed. Oddly, it even addresses your critical response: that it is easy to be a Tuesday morning quarterback.

Re: The Pirate Bay's 20th Anniversary

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Post by grotorea »

seanw444 wrote: post #18
automatic6131 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Proof of Space-time" Oooh, what a fancy, high-falutin word for... writing bingo tickets to your SSD. Could more accurately be called "proof of bingo card", and then it doesn't infringe on actually interesting concepts, like relativistic physics. I remember when the new of Chia caused SSD prices to spike around the time I was buying, in the speculative fever for free money. At least it crashed, causing the Chia miner…

I've always found it odd that people have such guttural reactions to cryptocurrency. It's a technology. Calm down. It's become like politics now. "Fuck Republicans, fuck conservative nonsense." is what I'd expect to hear, not getting pissed over an algorithm. Kinda brings me comedic relief.

Would you be happier if people were having their guttural reactions to the people involved in creating or using cryptocurrency instead of the technology itself? Would it make a difference?
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