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Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by famouswaffles »

htrp wrote: post #136

So just in case people forget. Bard initially launched with the lamda model (the one that got that guy fired) [1] Bard was soundly mocked for how bad it was and they relaunched it with the Palm2 Model[2]. I suspect at some time in the near future, if they haven't done so already, they'll just quietly move Bard's underlying language model to Gemini. [1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-upda... […

>the lamda model (the one that got that guy fired)

By their own admission, they launched with a much smaller model than the one the got the guy fired.

>I suspect at some time in the near future, if they haven't done so already, they'll just quietly move Bard's underlying language model to Gemini.

would it really be quiet ? They do say they updated the model today though and i'm curious about that

https://bard.google.com/updates

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by mupuff1234 »

Grazester wrote: post #150
lacrimacida wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be discontinued anyway, like nearly all google products.

I don't see that happening. Barb is basically their new search tool. It's not Google Reader or Stadia that falls outside of their usual product offering.

I don't see bard existing as a standalone product long term, LLM capabilities will integrated into search, assistant, etc and "bard" will die off.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by ece20 »

Bard became frustrated with me for asking it to solve a simple task. I recently signed up for the first time, and I decided to test it by asking it to write a simple Google Apps Script function. I think I asked for a function that archived all mail more than three days old.

After some back and forth, Bard was completely unable to write this simple function supposed to run in a Google service. Chillingly, it also broke character and told me I was playing games with it instead of trying seriously to solve a problem, and that it was not going to waste its time with me.

It was a fun little moment, but I see no reason to use Bard while GPT exists.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by shanusmagnus »

jncfhnb wrote: post #140
cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something that still leaves me stumped about LLMs. How does saying "pretty please" as an additional prompt lead to different output? Should this be implicitly added to each prompt?

Suppose you tell it not to upset anyone. Someone asks if a question and it thinks the answer might be upsetting. The machine declines to answer. The asker clarifies that it would be happy to receive the answer. Contextually, this does seem less likely to upset the human with an answer. It’s not very practical as a safeguard obviously although real humans are susceptible to contextual nudging all the time. Adding it t…

This makes sense. In the "token window" of a human being, the same strategy would also work, e.g.,

p1: "What do you think of my story? Be honest."

p2: "I'd rather not say."

p1: "Seriously, tell me what you think, it's fine if you hate it. I need the feedback."

When you think about it from that perspective, it's no dumber than people are.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by gcr »

syspec wrote: post #149
htrp wrote: post #136

So just in case people forget. Bard initially launched with the lamda model (the one that got that guy fired) [1] Bard was soundly mocked for how bad it was and they relaunched it with the Palm2 Model[2]. I suspect at some time in the near future, if they haven't done so already, they'll just quietly move Bard's underlying language model to Gemini. [1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-upda... […

I'm a layman, what's the difference between those models?

three successive iterations of internal language models, from three distinct but somewhat-overlapping teams

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by WaffleIronMaker »

epberry wrote: post #154

Bard is not bad but it's really Google's search generative experience that you want to have it enabled. I think it is really fantastic.

I concur: The quality of results from Google's experimental AI preview is much higher than Bard. Notable features include consistently relevant and concise results (in my personal experience), effective citation of sources, and inclusion of multimedia sources such as video embeds.

Also, I'll note that Bard has been receiving continued attention and support from Google, last being updated today. [1]

[1] https://bard.google.com/updates

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by salad-tycoon »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #148
siva7 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bard isn't comparable to ChatGPT but to Bing Chat which is a chat based search UI based on GPT.

How is BingChat different than ChatGPT if they are both text interfaces you use to have a chat dialog with the underlying GPT-3.5 / GPT-4?

Bing does web searches, cites sources, and other consumer parlor tricks.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by pbmonster »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #148
siva7 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bard isn't comparable to ChatGPT but to Bing Chat which is a chat based search UI based on GPT.

How is BingChat different than ChatGPT if they are both text interfaces you use to have a chat dialog with the underlying GPT-3.5 / GPT-4?

ChatGPT is only the LLM, and it only creates answers from data encoded in its parameters. That means there is a knowledge cutoff, it only know what was included in its training set, which includes no newer information than September 2021.

BingChat has access to the internet, and the underlying GPT-3.5 can access current information in the form of context attached to each query (in the form of results from a Bing search).

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Post by staticman2 »

sterlind wrote: post #68
BoorishBears wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about: Lemoine was a random SWE experiencing RLHF'd LLM output for the first time, just like the rest of the world did just a few months later... and his mind went straight to "It's Sentient!". That would have been fine, but when people who understood the subject tried to explain, he decided that it was actually proof he was right so he tried to go nuclear. And when going…

By "sentient," do you mean able to experience qualia? Most people consider chickens sentient (otherwise animal cruelty wouldn't upset us, since we'd know they can't actually experience pain) - is it so hard to imagine neural networks gaining sentience once they pass the chicken complexity threshold? Sure, LLMs wouldn't have human-like qualia - they measure time in iters, they're constantly rewound or paused or edited…

I think the subject matter expert can distinguish between a biological lifeform with a common ancestor to humanity and the things happening on their server farms.
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