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A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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>On August 14, at around 11 pm, a homeless man was crossing a street in San Francisco’s South of Market neighborhood when he was hit by a bus. Why does it matter if the man was homeless? "a duplex-owning man was crossing a street" would sound silly so why does the man's lack of home need to be mentioned?

Look in this forum. According to all the SV liberals, this means it was definitely the fault of the homeless, and no need for investigation.

Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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what words would you use to convey the same message, if you were

It's the message that's the problem lol

Its the only reason randoms at the fire department blamed a nearby Cruise for the tragedy

cities are populated by people

this was a chronic failure of empathy after a homeless person got hit by a city bus!

not wanting the message is a you problem

Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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Yeah exactly. I'm not saying anyone deserved to die; the homeless in SF are basically not autonomous agents anymore. Right or wrong, it shifts it in my mind from "bus driver is at fault" to "nobody is at fault" (except the city that encourages themn to them stay drugged and on the streets).

So being homeless means that we shouldn't investigate fatal crashes? Personally, I don't think they should have to give up the right to not be murdered.

Did I say that?

Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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Kind of funny that it is assumed that a human-operated vehicle would be more prompt in getting out of the way. Yesterday, walking in my city I saw an ambulance stuck at an intersection for over a minute because of confused drivers and a police vehicle blocking the road. I think the fact that the vehicles stop is better. Emergency vehicles can use any lane even for opposite traffic - so go around them. Meanwhile, Tesl…

> Kind of funny that it is assumed that a human-operated vehicle would be more prompt in getting out of the way. Honestly I think it is silly to assume not. People (in general) have a pretty good intuition if EMS is coming their way. Beyond that, this is a commercial service that is to be rolled out en-masse, it has to be better than the average human or else you will have lawsuits left and right. > I think the fact…

Agree to disagree. Many people do not realize they should move at all when there are sirens and lights, even directly behind them. And a stationary vehicle is quite predictable. It seems highly unlikely a fleet of self driving vehicles could block all oncoming and opposing lanes of traffic.

But what do I know. I’m just some guy.

Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So being homeless means that we shouldn't investigate fatal crashes? Personally, I don't think they should have to give up the right to not be murdered.

Did I say that?

Yup, you sure did.

Re: A bus driver killed a man, the city blamed tech

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Did they _really_ need to call out that the man (victim) was homeless? Is that a significant identifier important to the story?

No, they could have just described the persons' behavior -- but instead they wanted to include the false nuance that is echoed in the comments here that because someone is homeless it implies and symbolizes their mental state as being broken and their judgement as being faulty. It's about as true as looking at the ballot returns of any single state and then declaring all people within that state as party affiliates f…

Maybe because it does take a broken mental state to give up on society and go live out on the streets. I understand that is a progression and it is no ones choice, but it doesn’t change the fact that no one of a sound mental state lives like that.
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