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Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Never used it. I expect Google will cancel it anyway.

They can't, it's an existential threat for them, just as they won't kill google search. They must integrate their index with the bot because somebody else will, too (looking at you, bing) and then it'll be a fast smooth ride downhill.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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post #111
post #69

Never used it. I expect Google will cancel it anyway.

They can't, it's an existential threat for them, just as they won't kill google search. They must integrate their index with the bot because somebody else will, too (looking at you, bing) and then it'll be a fast smooth ride downhill.

Yes, but that's a separate product from Bard: https://blog.google/products/search/generative-ai-search/

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "sentient," do you mean able to experience qualia? Most people consider chickens sentient (otherwise animal cruelty wouldn't upset us, since we'd know they can't actually experience pain) - is it so hard to imagine neural networks gaining sentience once they pass the chicken complexity threshold? Sure, LLMs wouldn't have human-like qualia - they measure time in iters, they're constantly rewound or paused or edited…

What an absolute slurry this is: Jumping from defining sentience in terms of what upsets people when subjected to animal cruelty... to arbitrarily selecting chickens as a lynchpin based on that. Then diving on deeper still on a rain puddle deep thought. Fruit flies are also sentient, while you're out here inventing thresholds why aim so high? You could have even gone with a shrimp and let Weizenbaum know ELIZA was se…

I defined sentience as experiencing qualia, then decided to back up my assertion that most people consider animals to be sentient with an example. Pain is the one animal sensation humans care about, so I picked animal cruelty. I chose chickens because they're the dumbest animal that humans worry about hurting. I'm sorry that you've taken umbrage with my example. I didn't select fruit flies because I don't think a majority of humans necessarily consider them sentient, or sentient enough to count - nearly everyone squashes them without thinking.

It's funny you talk about academic stammering meeting the real world, because that's what's happening right now with philosophy. These LLMs are real-life philosophical zombies, if they're not sentient. We've literally implemented Searle's Chinese Room!

I'm not saying LaMDA was actually sentient, or that we need to pull any fire alarms, I'm just saying that it's hubris to think that it's an easy question with an obvious answer, and that Lemoine was a schmuck for being skeptical when told it wasn't.

Also, calling my post "an absolute slurry" and a "rain puddle deep thought" wasn't very nice, and technically breaks guidelines.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look at Gemini, it’s their new model, currently in closed beta. With all the talent, data, and infrastructure that Google has, I believe them. That said, it is almost comical they'd not unleash what they keep saying is the better model. I am sure they have safety reasons and world security concerns given their gargantuan scale, but nothing they couldn't solve, surely? They make more in a week than what OpenAI proba…

What is the upside for google? Their business is advertising and they have a massive platform for this already. What does a chatbot add? Showing that they are keeping up with evolving technology and that they also can train a competitive offering? From a pride perspective I see why they'd want to compete with OpenAI but from a business perspective? GPT+Bing has come and gone... I'm sure google worries about their bus…

Bing is pretty damn useful these days, I've asked it random technical stuff a bunch of times and it's come back with a direct answer where Google would have me thrashing around trying to come up with the right keywords, then reading a bunch of links myself to find the answer. It's good for "I don't even know the name of the thing I'm looking for" type stuff.

Disclaimer: I haven't used Google Search much in a long while so my googlefu is weak. I can usually find what I'm looking for much quicker in DDG which I believe is mostly based on Bing web search results (as opposed to the chatbot) so I might just currently be better trained in Bing keywords?

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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post #112
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, it's an existential threat for them, just as they won't kill google search. They must integrate their index with the bot because somebody else will, too (looking at you, bing) and then it'll be a fast smooth ride downhill.

Yes, but that's a separate product from Bard: https://blog.google/products/search/generative-ai-search/

I believe this and bing chat with search are only the preface of the book of what's coming, but it's critical that iteration has even started.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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post #111
post #69

Never used it. I expect Google will cancel it anyway.

They can't, it's an existential threat for them, just as they won't kill google search. They must integrate their index with the bot because somebody else will, too (looking at you, bing) and then it'll be a fast smooth ride downhill.

I wish Bing could make Chat the default mode. I don't really search websites anymore. I check the references Bing Chat provides though.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

#119

If you want to try bard alongside google search, then here is a addon which will show response from bard when you do google search https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bard-for-sear...

I enabled the generative AI feature in Google search. Huge mistake. Its It's worse than useless and I can't find a way to turn it off. And this is coming from someone who uses GPT-4 and other LLMs all the time.

Re: Ask HN: 6 months later. How is Bard doing?

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Bard is actually pretty good when it responds from my experience. I definitely prefer the way it outputs results much more compared to chatgpt and it does provide sources / a UI linking to relevant material quite often. It is also searching the web for the latest info which is definitely felt in it's output. However, it often says "I can't help with that" even for relatively simple queries which makes it a little ann…

This is exactly my experience. The answers themselves aren't too different from ChatGPT 3.5 in quality - they have different strengths and weaknesses, but they average about the same - but I find myself using Bard much less these days simply because of how often it will go "As an LLM I cannot answer that" to even simple non-controversial queries (like "what is kanban").

> As an LLM I cannot answer that

One of the biggest reasons to run open models.

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