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And Switzerland is still out, without any pathway for getting back, negotiations have stalled. This is an absolute disgrace for our country.
Don't know whether this especially is related, but expect more of that.
> And it will be able to recoup funding if U.K. scientists receive “significantly less money” than the U.K.’s annual contribution, according to the government’s announcement Has the UK managed to negotiate another special treatment (like when it had its 'discount' when an EU member) to ensure that it can only benefit from the scheme? If so, that sounds like a good deal.
As much as Brits like to denigrate the country, the UK outperforms most of it's neighbours in science and technology. Rejoining Horizon is a boon for European science even if the UK is a net benefactor.
Edit: those corrupt uni ranking lists mean nothing.
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That doesn't mean they can only benefit from it, it mean they can't be completely shafted. If they get 2.4~2.5 Billions every year, or a year at 2.8 followed by a 2.1, it would be less, but not significantly less (the law of average make this last option a lot less likely). The idea of the program is not to get all the money attributed to your country, I imagine the interest is also to pool specialist to evaluate the…
'significantly' is obviously a weasel word that is opened to further arguments, and I suspect it was added on purpose so that both parties can claim 'victory'. Your comment is your personal interpretation, for instance. I could also say that if I paid 2.5 billions in and only got 2.1 billions out over a single year that is significantly less (16%) so I demand a refund or guaranteed extra funding to make it up the fol…
This is from the government announcement. I am 99.9% sure that when you read the actual text of the agreement there will be a process with exact cutoffs with the scenario laid out for how the funding would be recouped, and by whom.
This is great news. I remember when Brexit was announced in my last lab, and at first everything seemed okay, but as the months went on I saw more professor bashing heads or colluding to get those rare precious grants as it became clear that the well was drying up.
Disclaimer: I voted to remain, but this is a great example of misleading/fear mongering by the remain campaign. They very vocally claimed that all the "good bits" of the EU cooperation would be permanently ended by leaving the Union. As evidenced by this news and others, that is untrue. There is clearly room for close cooperation in many areas without surrendering sovereign control over your nation.
The fact we can later renegotiate access to a particular programme on the same basis as NZ doesn't mean we're getting access to other EU perks like free healthcare on holiday or the right to live in Spain, or that London hasn't fallen behind Paris for size of equities market. The "sovereignty" argument put forward by Leave was much more misleading. Ask the fishermen how many of the hated EU rules they're still required to follow as part of our "independent" fishing deal...
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Because research projects are multinational collaborations. How do you get your brightest to stay in UK (or come here from other places) if all your research are isolated to your island??
They are isolated because that scheme is designed to isolate non-members. But nothing prevents the UK from being part of international collaborations in general.
While you can still do it outside the EU programs, it will require a lot of administrative work which most universities cannot handle.
And Switzerland is still out, without any pathway for getting back, negotiations have stalled. This is an absolute disgrace for our country.
Switzerland flushed tremendous amounts of goodwill in all of europe, especially eastern europe, with their ridiculous stance on weapons deliveries - or non-allowance of deliveries tangentially related to switzerland. Don't know whether this especially is related, but expect more of that.
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They are isolated because that scheme is designed to isolate non-members. But nothing prevents the UK from being part of international collaborations in general.
No, the scheme is there to simplify collaboration across borders and connect research teams with very different skills. While you can still do it outside the EU programs, it will require a lot of administrative work which most universities cannot handle.
Let's not kid ourselves, this is geopolitics and influence, not just generous cooperation.
Edit: Very strange to observe the reactions to my comment... many of you seem have a knee-jerk, black and white, if not naive, reaction to Brexit and the EU. Both sides are playing games and both sides are trying to further their interests, including indeed geopolitical and international influence ones. I am not claiming more than that and not passing judgement on Brexit here.
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As much as Brits like to denigrate the country, the UK outperforms most of it's neighbours in science and technology. Rejoining Horizon is a boon for European science even if the UK is a net benefactor.
You have any data on that? Reading reports on European research output UK is nothing special. Edit: those corrupt uni ranking lists mean nothing.
Jounal output: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php?order=itp&ord=desc...
University rankings (7 out of 10 in Europe, 3 out of 10 worldwide): https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/best-universiti...
FWIW, I don't have numbers, but Horizon Europe is both a research funding scheme and an industry innovation funding scheme. https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/funding/funding... says "This is 70% of the budget earmarked for SMEs." It has both direct research grants (ERC grants), and funds for big consortium projects, where most of the money goes to big companies, with some money also going to SMEs and resea…
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Disclaimer: I voted to remain, but this is a great example of misleading/fear mongering by the remain campaign. They very vocally claimed that all the "good bits" of the EU cooperation would be permanently ended by leaving the Union. As evidenced by this news and others, that is untrue. There is clearly room for close cooperation in many areas without surrendering sovereign control over your nation.
> permanently ended A 7 year funding hiatus is pretty bad