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Striking auto workers want a 40% pay increase–the same rate their CEOs’ pay grew

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Re: Striking auto workers want a 40% pay increase–the same rate their CEOs’ pay grew

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40% over 4 years isn't as crazy (especially when you consider that they had some concessions back in '08). typical clickbait when you consider this is a high value for negotiation and they're likely looking for anywhere between 20-30% over 4 years when it's all said and done. barely above inflation YoY.

It’s not entirely on the media for using these headline numbers. The Unions like these numbers being used. It sounds better to their members that they’re getting a 40% pay rise.

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There is an equation with an equilibrium: CEO's pay rate = (some multiplier) * median salaried worker's pay rate OR CEO's pay rate = (some multiplier) * minimum salaried worker's pay rate We've been conditioned to think it's not fair somehow, but the discrepancy is just....engorgingly terrible. I'm not arguing for how this metric would be enforced, only that it would be a good one to have. Especially in a time when g…

The problem with this is that the CEO of Walmart is a much more important job than the CEO of McKinsey but under this formula they would get paid a fraction of the amount, no matter how well they did for Walmart workers. The end result of this situation would probably be a mad dash to automate away any blue collar work, which may not be such a great thing. It’s a tough problem.

> The end result of this situation would probably be a mad dash to automate away any blue collar work, which may not be such a great thing.

More typically, this results in the outsourcing/contracting away of lower value work.

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I have bad news for you. Those workers who demand 40% wage increases and 32 hour work weeks will be "easily replaced" by auto factories in the South who have right to work laws.

This is why global worker solidarity is so important.

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Only if the contracts automatically follow profits. Profits are not a ratchet, while contracts typically are. Also they are asking for more than pay raises and shortened work week. They're also demanding health benefits for retirees and defined benefit pensions among other things.

All of these things are good for workers, their quality of life, and the quality of their work, and American workers deserve those things.

Defined benefit plans??

The only defined benefit plan left is social security , which is fast going into insolvency in exactly a decade, and where it will automatically be cut 25% once that happens!

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It's also been suggested that Congressional salaries be a fixed multiple of minimum wage, and for similar reasons. Honestly I think that would probably fix things a lot faster.

If you underpay elected officials then 1. they just start taking bribes 2. only rich people will run in the election. This is why Singapore pays them even more than we do. Anyway, minimum wages (despite being ok policies) aren't what people are actually paid, and of course aren't especially what non-working people are paid. And remember that non-working people, namely children and the elderly, are poorer than workers…

That literally is already what's happening. Bribing officials through lobbying is legal, and only rich people can afford to take on the instability of an election run.

And idk where you got the idea that people don't make minimum wage. They absolutely do. Go look at a job board.

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Well that's simple, larger companies that want to pay their CEO more can pay their lowest paid employees more.

That's moronic. A good CEO at a fortune 500 company could have a $100M revenue impact. That same CEO could never be worth $100M to a local restaurant. The idea that the bigger company can't offer more to attract a better CEO just because both businesses employ janitors that make market rate is mind-numbingly stupid.

I thought janitoring was all contracted out these days.

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> “Obviously, CEOs should be the highest-paid person in an enterprise, but then the question is exactly just how much higher than everyone else,” Josh Bivens, chief economist at EPI, told NPR. Are there any examples where this isn’t true? I know someone who works as an engineer cleaning up nuclear waste. The workers who do the job he engineers are paid more than him. He is ok with that but did pass the comment that i…

I’d imagine Linus Sebastian (of YouTube Linus Tech Tips fame) is taking home more money than the recently appointed CEO of the Linus Media Group. But that’s also a weird situation because he basically hired the CEO to free himself up to do the parts of the job he likes. He said someone offered to buy the company for $60M cash I think it was? Which is astounding.

He and his wife own 100% the company so it might be better to hold on to the cash for tax purposes than pay themselves a lot because tax on payroll is pretty high compared to company's cash sitting in the bank.

I think the offer he mentioned was $100M for LTT.

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> “Obviously, CEOs should be the highest-paid person in an enterprise, but then the question is exactly just how much higher than everyone else,” Josh Bivens, chief economist at EPI, told NPR. I thought I read that at Japanese companies the CEO doesn't make 300 times what the workers make. Maybe the CEO made 10 times at most?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/06/30/business/top-au...

...Akio Toyoda, was paid ¥999 million ($6.9 million) last fiscal year...

"Owing to culture or corporate structure, the salaries of American executives and foreign executives in Japan have historically been much higher,” a Toyota spokesperson said Friday. "We’re aware of the gap and we’re working to fix it.”

Nissan, which has just shuffled its leadership, also published salaries Friday, showing that former Chief Operation Officer Ashwani Gupta was paid ¥726 million last fiscal year. CEO Makoto Uchida made ¥673 million.

Honda said last week that its CEO Toshihiro Mibe was paid ¥348 million and Chairman Seiji Kuraishi got ¥138 million.

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It's also been suggested that Congressional salaries be a fixed multiple of minimum wage, and for similar reasons. Honestly I think that would probably fix things a lot faster.

Congress already makes more money from cutting deals with their power & influence than they do from their salary...

Yes that should be illegal too.

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> The top 450 NBA players... The top 450? There's only 450 players. 30 teams, 15 players on the roster. > earn more in salary every year than the CEOs of the S&P 500. No, they don't. There are 30 teams, with a salary cap of $136M, i.e. $4.08B. I'm looking at the top CEO salaries and I'm already at $2.6B and I'm only at number 20 .

> I'm looking at the top CEO salaries and I'm already at $2.6B and I'm only at number 20. I appreciate how many of you immediately jump to make such egregiously bad displays of business logic in response to someone asserting that you cannot even comprehend the job of a top CEO.

Acting like receiving some of your compensation in immediately exercisable stock grants being not technically a salary is a distinction that matters to none but the IRS.

Yet somehow, bundling in endorsements and book deals and other extracurriculars when referring to NBA player salaries? Totally reasonable, apparently.

"Steve Jobs only took a $1 salary from Apple!"

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