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F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by CamperBob2 »

alistairSH wrote: post #368
mrtksn wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI can absolutely say "that looks like a civilian target, maybe I have incorrect info" or "a little kid just ran into the target area" or "the controller says I just shot at friendlies". What makes you think that AI can't incorporate those into decision making? Pilots do these through instruments anyway.

The same AI that gets confused when you stick a traffic cone on the hood? Yeah, I don't want that algorithm deciding who to bomb.

Self-driving cars are a much harder problem than anything airborne.

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by selimthegrim »

1attice wrote: post #530
justsomehnguy wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"To the last I struggled to lift the plane, [but] copilot Yuriy Yegorov hit the catapult [triggering ejection] and we two ejected with our seats."

What I love about HN is that you can get from 'a plane went missing' to a thread that cites every plane loss since 1999 followed by a counterargument citing a downed MIG. Like, how the heck do you all know so much? The demographics of this site are unreal

You might also consider there is probably some cross-pollination with r/NonCredibleDefense, which has a lot of military intelligence people and analysts (the Yeysk crash got a lot of memes on there)

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

actionfromafar wrote: post #510
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> self-destruct Ooh, yeah. Let's add even more failure modes!

For drones it makes sense. Drones could boot up with all config in RAM so as to be completely devoid of mission parameters once power is cut.

Sure. There's no way that in combat you could experience a temporary power loss. Nope, that could never happen.

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by MarkMarine »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #383
mrb wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Scoundreller meant is that if most of the controls are lost, then the few controls remaining could still be used to intentionally destroy the plane as much as possible. For example, the elevator (to control the pitch) might be the last working control, and it could be used to intentionally nosedive the plane after ejection.

I don't think that solves anything. With critical secret pieces of hardware you will still want confirmation that they were destroyed or recover them. So even if the plane can attempt to self-destruct as much as possible, the military is still going to want to confirm the result.

The skin and coatings of these planes is secret. How do you self destruct the skin?

Anyway, it’s moot. The people with the resources to actually make this stuff already hacked in and stole it. They compromised a whole CA just to get the F-35 design docs.

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by Hammershaft »

SonicScrub wrote: post #141
kunwon1 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no expert on aircraft procurement or government contracts (I'm an engineer who used to work on fighter jets) - that being said, it's my understanding that the F-35 is actually a very successful project, and a very affordable one at that. I haven't got any citations or evidence to present, I could be wrong about all of this, it's a topic I've got only casual knowledge about. A broad overview of my understanding of…

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/01/f-35-cheaper-than-the-g... Specific figures will differ depending on how exactly one calculates acquisition costs. These numbers differ depending on the acquiring country, the block numbers, etc. But as rule of thumb the F-35 cost is roughly 10 million USD cheaper than the much less capable Gripen. This is notable as the Gripen is being marketed as the cheaper alternative. The F-3…

What makes stealth coating particularily expensive?

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Post by SkyMarshal »

sschueller wrote: post #32
RetroTechie wrote: post #23

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I'd think there's clear procedures for pilot of such a craft? If x occurs & can't be fixed by doing y or z, then eject. > Though it it continued flying I would expect it to be on ADS-B. This is a military aircraft. Depending on its mission, transponders may or may not be enabled. What did surprise me: if a 2-plane mission, why didn't the other jet follow the now-empty one? As a opposed to landing right after. Low on…

With all the software issues how do we know the plane didn't just randomly eject the pilot due to some buffer overflow...

It's using a tiny subset of C++ and C, designed to prevent errors like that, but I wonder how well that works given the F-35 has several years of empirical data now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27602606

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Post by mercutio2 »

kunwon1 wrote: post #131
btbuildem wrote: post #70

An 80's movie dream is playing out for some rural kids, where they stumble upon a smouldering high-tech wreckage and as they explore it, men in suits pour out of black SUVs and talk to them in taciturn ways. Seriously though, these jets sound terribly overpriced for how unreliable they seem to be.

I'm no expert on aircraft procurement or government contracts (I'm an engineer who used to work on fighter jets) - that being said, it's my understanding that the F-35 is actually a very successful project, and a very affordable one at that. I haven't got any citations or evidence to present, I could be wrong about all of this, it's a topic I've got only casual knowledge about. A broad overview of my understanding of…

I found this article illuminating on the F-35. Certainly convinced me that the costs have been misrepresented.

https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Case-for-the-F-35

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by umeshunni »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #217

It's not uncommon for jets to fly for long distances after a pilot ejects. In one incident I responded to, the crew of an F4 ejected due to a fire, but the jet continued to fly over about half of Nevada until it eventually crashed near Tohnapah.

This is a particularly interesting story:

A Soviet MiG-23 flew all the way from Poland to Belgium without its pilot after they ejected from the jet shortly after takeoff back

https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/the-ghost-mig-over-be...

Re: F-35 can’t be found after pilot ejected

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Post by simne »

mortureb wrote: post #466
tehf0x wrote: post #265

So a similar thing happened near some friends' in France. A military jet crashed into the forest near their house, but the air force couldn't figure out where it had gone. Eventually a farmer noticed that a new pond had appeared on his land. The jet made enough of a crater when crashing that drained the nearby swamp and created a new pond deep enough to conceal the full fuselage, thus completely hiding the airplane.…

But why? Don’t these billion dollar machines have a GPS tracker on them?

In civilian planes, sometimes, standard ADS-B tracker turned on automatically.

But in military planes, it must be turned on explicitly, because, depend on target of flight, it is possible, it must be OFF.

In general, this is very frequent case, when pilot just forget to turn on ADS-B.

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